Argentina U23 win 3-1 vs. Colombia, preparation continues for pre-Olympic games

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It wasn’t the best of starts for the Argentina U23 team but after falling behind 1-0, the team rallied back to a 3-1 win.

With star man Adolfo Gaich with the senior team, Fernando Batista’s squad had more than enough goals in them to defeat Bolivia 5-0 last week. The second game against Colombia would prove to be a little bit more difficult.

Colombia scored the opening goal but Nicolas Gonzalez drew Argentina level. The Stuttgart man was at the end of a cross as his effort beat the Colombian goalkeeper.

Argentina would take the lead through Matias Vargas. A lovely pentalty to the goalkeeper’s left made it 2-1 for Batista’s team.

Julian Carranza would make it 3-1 and confirm the victory. Carranza received the ball on the edge of the penalty area and his low shot was enough for Argentina’s third.

The team will continue to prepare for January’s pre-Olympic tournament where they will try to qualify for next summer’s games.

Here was the starting eleven:

Joaquin Blazquez; Facundo Mura, Cristian Romero, Lisandro Martinez, Francisco Ortega; Santiago Ascacibar, Nicolas Capaldo; Lucas Robertone, Nicolas Gonzalez, Matias Vargas; Ezequiel Ponce

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159 Comments

  1. Now some people want to deny the evident fact I’m claiming, that Argentina NT supporters number will drop by a half when Messi leave. But who’s author of the comment below, that is exactly corroboration of my suggestion. Apparantly some double-minded man still hides here his real identity (I will not tell who is behind the comment for now unless he will still try to say the opposite I claim above) These are his words:

    “I’ve seen that at the stadium yesterday, Colombian fans were 10 times more than Argentina fans, why? becuase Messi and the other stars were not there, I felt very sad that there were not much Argentina fans or Barca fans (Who usually go to Argentina games because of Messi) even two girls asked me, where is Messi? is he playing today?”

    I’m consistent on Messi. Several times I said here he is best player of the world and one of 3 best in history but I don’t need to write about him much (neither positively nor negatively) because I feel our chances on upcoming touenaments will depend more on youth generation qualities and cooperation than Messi’s individualism.

    No one in here can find single comment to prove I’m Messi hater

    • Even my regular antagonist Csabalala admit than no one want to watch on stadium Argentina without Messi, AGuero, Di Maria.

      • “Apparantly some double-minded man still hides here his real identity ”

        LOL, are you disappointed that I robbed you from revealing my so called ‘double-identity’ by telling that it was me ? 🙂

        Again, redirecting arguments to personal accusations because you lack counter arguments, and the constant refusal to look at the world from a ‘broad’ or ‘diversified’ ‘perspective’ , than an extremely narrow minded, jealous, hater, baseless one.

    • “I’ve seen that at the stadium yesterday, Colombian fans were 10 times more than Argentina fans, why? becuase Messi and the other stars were not there, I felt very sad that there were not much Argentina fans or Barca fans (Who usually go to Argentina games because of Messi) even two girls asked me, where is Messi? is he playing today?”

      Yep that was me last year, so what is wrong with the above statement? does it say that if people did not go to the stadium they stopped supporting Argentina ? or does it mean that I am saying that Argentina is finished after Messi?
      maybe it is a call to fans to realize that Argentina should be supported regardless of who plays? or a call to thank god for having Messi because he gives us more NT supporters and that positively reflects on the players mental strength when they see that they are supported by more and more people regardless, I would not mind 10000 fans with BARCA shirts because at the end, they would supporting us which is a FACT!
      You really are getting desperate to look for such statements and take them out of context.and always interpret them to serve your narrow point of view!

      Good luck in inspecting my comment history 🙂

      • No, this is not out of context. It speaks for itself. Hard to find better confirmation you are contradicting yourself. I just said: Argentina attendants will drop when Messi will leave. In some mean and devious way you wanted to insinuate this is kind of Messi critic or hate. Finally, having this evil goals, you harmed yourself.

        • ” Hard to find better confirmation you are contradicting yourself.”

          my comment is a true example of diversity, and acceptance of others.

          but only in your small, narrow minded personality…. it is a contradiction

          • Using your own standards to your case I have to say this your comment above means you are Messi hater.

            Same thought (as of mine below) lead to same conclusions.

        • absolutely it is out of context, because the context of the argument when I wrote the above comment was that “AFA is using Messi and the stars as a CASH COW”. now you go and use it to support your ‘sick’ point of view that half of Argentina fans only support Messi.
          you should have included the whole context, but of course it would not serve your purpose 🙂
          and that is why you just mentioned the part that serves your narrow minded, jealous, hate personality. I told you I will not get you off the hook this time. 🙂

          good this is an old thread now, we can battle it me and you here, and not take more of the time of other members.

    • a friend of mine is Portuguese, his wife is Uruguayan, and he supports Uruguay, would you tell him that he is not entitled to support Uruguay because he is not a true supporter, he ONLY supports them for his wife?
      another case, my cousin was a french supporter, started supporting Barca for Messi, eventually he switched to support Argentina, again for Messi, NOW he watches Argentina matches regardless if Messi plays or not, could I tell him not to support Argentina because he is a BARCA FAN?
      Your extremely narrow minded will just result in FANS relinquishing support for the NT, now tell me , is that the behavior of someone who really cares about Argentina, or it is the behavior of someone that has a heart full of hate and jealousy ?

    • @gonzalo-pity-martinez

      this is the original comment by another member I replied to back in september 2018

      “without knowing something more i will tell you something my friend.

      AFA will use and make everything in his power to return and play for Brasil friendly game
      Messi Aguero and all the big names.

      even if the players don t want AFA will try to convince them.
      for one simple reason.

      DOLLARS !!!
      they didn t arrange one prestige friendly game like this with Brasil in Jeddah of Saudi Arabia
      just for our young kids.

      Saudis want NAMES. They want MESSI and they pay big money for that.

      So what you expect from AFA to do?
      we like it or not against Brasil we will see our superstars.
      from November again the our young players.

      i don t say i agree with that. just from what i understand myself this will happened.”

      my ‘whole’ reply was

      “I’ve seen that at the stadium yesterday, Colombian fans were 10 times more than Argentina fans, why? becuase Messi and the other stars were not there, I felt very sad that there were not much Argentina fans or Barca fans (Who usually go to Argentina games because of Messi) even two girls asked me, where is Messi? is he playing today?
      I told them : You just missed him, he just left(Funny).
      I don’t think Messi will come back soon and allow the team to rebuild. Let the haters, Tapia and the Media go f.. themselves.”

      NOW WOULD YOU JUST STOP TAKING PEOPLE’s COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT and stop TWISTING, and BENDING FACTS just to SERVE YOUR NARROW PERSPECTIVE?

      you are really getting desperate, right?

    • WTF for the old argentine players and Messi they have their times they mess it up althought its for the new generation to grow we don’t them anymore now its to give the youth their times to shine althought Messi teamate only shine at club players like aguero always shine at club but aren’t shit on selection

  3. Only a stupid can say that…
    ”Messi leaving NT some day the number of Argentina followers will be cutted by a half”

    My father was a huge maradona and argentina fan. That is why my whole family were fan of Argentina. I m a die hard Argentina fan bcoz of My father and Maradona. And Oviously mY… My kids are also a fan of Argentina football and Messi. Its a chain….

        • “I will stress that again, I am a MESSI fan like millions and millions of Argentines, and many members here on mundo, so get over that”

          LOL WHo cares. I’m touched to tears. You are Messi fan but not much of Argentina future

          Who’s embarassing yourself?

          I will post that every time, I talk to you. Shame

          “Yeah, some will still come now and say, Messi’s presence is toxic. Mascherano was bullshit dictator who prevented young players from playing. ROJO is a bench warmer,Romero is useless, Mercado inconsistent, BAnega, so so, DiMAria headless Chicken, I bet Meza is better than most of these fucking player who can not even pass or receive the fucking ball. I bet they are better than these losers we have for a year now. and playing like shit. yeah once in a blue moon they play good, but inconsistent, worse than the inconsistency of DiMaria or Biglia or Mascherano. why, because they are young, they supposed to be good,
          those players who are described till today as ‘old guard’, ‘Messi’s package’, ‘club de amigos’ , ‘pecho frio’ ‘hijos de puta’ players that were disrespected, humiliated and discarded as if they never served their country, were monsters at the ages of the current ‘younger’ ‘better’ ‘ ‘future’ ‘more dependable’ players

          Some say, this guy or that guy should never be close to the NT, he is inconsistent, takes headless runs, has very few moments of magic, they are not playing for the shirt, they come in a package, I don;t Messi because of his friends, I don’t want Aguero because he wants to win for Messi, he does not care about Argentina, they don’t play for the shirt, they are chockers, losers, reached 4 finals in 9 tyears, but did not win any, and becasue of that bullshit the were calling for eliminating the best and take the worst just because they are part of ‘Messi’s club’ , those too are partners of the fucking Media that kept thrashing that golden generation, part of the corrupt AFA, and the part of the reason Argentina is in this situation right now. For fuck sake, since when the mighty Argentina had to depend on winning against nation like qatar to qualify for COPA AMERICA second round ans waiting other results to go in it’s advantage, and hell maybe qualify as one of 2 teams in best third out of three ?
          .
          now you can see why Messi’s club was, will always be the best Argentina generation ever produced. But WE chose to discard them like discarding garbage. humiliate them and spit on them when they are close to the end of their careers. So youo guys better stop with that fucking broken record as it is CLEAR AS A WHISTLE, THERE WERE NO BETTER PLAYERS TO TAKE THEIR PLACE.

          the ‘old guards’ who every one was/is blaming to hijack the team after 2014 and did not give chances for other players to play, put 6 past a stronger Paraguay last COPA, WE as FANS are left with this Argentina team to support, and we had no choice.

          some said It is Ok we are rebuilding for WC2022, Bullshit, using a major FIFA tournament as training ground, yeah it is very smart let us drop our best players , because they are old, reached 3 finals in a row but did not win, they are friends club, they are dicators, they are this and that, to give younger players more ‘international’ experience’ for WC2022. now you can see all that is Bullshit, they were there because there was not any better, and they were the best. even when they lost they still played 100 times better than this bunch of amateurs. What hey played today was street football, hell even worse. players have no quality at all, the coach will not teach you how to pass the ball and receive tha ball.

          let us give the younger ‘promising players’ experience in big tournaments. forgetting that we just humiliated the shirt of Argentina with players like this. Fuck this. I am out of this TOXIC fucking place till MAYBE, WC2022 because I WANT TO WITNESS, the likes of Locelso, Paredes, Depaul, Suarez, Dybala, and the rest of the overhyped gang winning the World cup and succeed where Messi and his package failed. I just hope that it will not be branded as ‘international Experience’ for WC2026”.

          • > “I will stress that again, I am a MESSI fan like millions and millions of Argentines, and many members here on mundo, so get over that”

            > LOL WHo cares. I’m touched to tears. You are Messi fan but not much of Argentina future

            Holy shit. not only are you hater but you’re a troll. Reyan posts his experience and you mock him? Who the hell do you think your are to mock his family experience?? And yet you claim you’re dogshit hater opinions aren’t divisive. Give me a break. Wake up from your Delusional.

          • My reply to that:

            hit rewind and play back my replies at that time 🙂

            You should be ‘mundo inspector’ have fun playing back my comments while I get ready to go meet my friends and watch Argentina vs Mexico with the company of few BARCA fans 🙂

      • @gonzalo-pity-martinez

        “My father was a huge maradona and argentina fan. That is why my whole family were fan of Argentina. I m a die hard Argentina fan bcoz of My father and Maradona. And Oviously mY… My kids are also a fan of Argentina football and Messi. Its a chain….”

        this was Reyan argument, why did you steer away to stress your original argument without producing a counter argument to the above. you just keep embarrassing yourself over and over again.
        do you really expect others to see the world from your extremely narrow perspective?

      • I will stress that again, I am a MESSI fan like millions and millions of Argentines, and many members here on mundo, so get over that and move on or ask Roy to enlist you as a ‘fan inspector’ here and ban all who are fans of Messi or whoever. Why don’t you create your own forum, set your rules and test with your crystal ball intentions of members, hell may go as far as running background checks, lie detector test on members to make sure they are not supporters of older generation. really, why not do that, and leave people alone. you will be happy enforcing your own rules, and keep us happy.

  5. Argentina predicted line-up vs Mexico – International friendly
    (4-3-1-2): Andrada; Montiel, Martinez, Pezzella, Acuna; Paredes, De Paul, Palacios; Lanzini; Gaich, Martinez

    Scaloni he will put team of young players
    Tomorrow

  6. I have been a Scaloni supporter but really, how many God Damn lineups do you need before you settle in on a squad? You need a hundred fu..ing games? 200 games? Is he playing fifa PlayStation? Now MacAllister starts? Nothing against him personally but does one good game at Boca get you a starting position on the NT? What is this shit show we are watching? Is it all about testing or is this fool going to start winning some games. Dude is a lost cause. A ten year project doesn’t mean 100 lineups and no results.

    • You’ve been here for a long time San Isidro and I really didn’t expect such a comment from you, but anyway it’s your opinion, no big deal.
      You didn’t take any rational perspective into account by saying this.
      1.These are just two friendlies.
      2.2019-20 club season has only just started.
      3. Our core players are still there in this selection.
      4. Why do you want to play the same lineup in the space of just a few days and risk our players?
      5. Some moan about Dybala not been given full 90mins, come one there’s another one on tuesday he might play the full 90 or majority of it and he was taken off for that being in mind.
      6. Messi is serving a ban
      7. Aguero is being rested. ( rested or not rested he looks completely burnt out when an international tournament comes in the summer. Alteast this way at this age keeping in mind his injury record, Man City might get something useful)
      8. Otamendi sent back to City, another good sign( although I don’t rate him or like him) Scaloni cares for the player and his club.
      9. Lo Ceslo also sent back to North London (precautionary), why take an unnecessary risk in a friendly for the continuity sake?
      10. Armani’s having difficulties as well, so why play him?
      11. If not trying new players and system in friendlies, then where and when is it possible?
      12. Some players that could/should’ve been called up are currently called up for the U23 side and some are rested consider their and as well as club perspective

  7. Scaloni have been there for long. I am not still sure how he wants to play. There is some impression of 4-3-1-2 but he needs to keep a certain group of players together.

    I don’t understand the inclusion of Marcos Rojo. Here is one place he can try some new, younger player. I am sure our @gonzalo can help come up with some names. Of the old generation currently Messi and Aguero can stay, rest all are not indispensable now. Even Otamendi can be replaced now. What I feel, he might call back Messi, Aguero, Otamendi, Dimaria and may be few others suddenly during WC qualifier. -Post copa I think he should have a good solid group of 8-9 players. Rest he can try and build back up by giving 15-20 mins as subs.

  8. @gonzalo
    Very poor observation and clearly shows your personality. Very one dimensional. I will tell you something honestly, I used to look forward to you posts. I don’t get a chance to see Argentine local leagues and hence was good insight. But sorry to say these days its becoming idiotic and very irritating. Tired of you oldies are bad and all new kids are world class and sensational.

    I don’t know how old you are and how many years of Argentine football you have watched. But your hate towards Messi clearly shows you are not an Argentina fan. We would be lucky if we have another Messi. Your current young players are not even 1% of Messi.

    Like @waveride said, folks don’t post as this place has become really stupid, barring a few.
    @gonzalo You are one the main protagonist to spoil this place. Just like how a certain Maxi Lopez single handedly closed worldcupblog.com. I don’t know what will make you change but if folks like you continue here, good luck to this place. Every time I see your name, its about anti-Messi, anti-prev gen and absurd posts like Ascacibar having more capabilities than Kante etc. You can do better than this. Your post was uncalled for.

    • Spot on , this blog has become argentine supporter to anti-messi forum. This is becoming so boring nobody does tactical discussion and the style of play, everybody is talking about some this and that player from superliga and somewhere else who didnt do shit yet but hoping they can lift argentina NT lol. As i said argentina will keep producing average and some above average players and if the coaches keeps experimenting it will never end.
      And gonzalo doesnt care about NT neither he is fan of argentina NT , he only cares about superliga he is a follower of some local league. Sometimes he talks complete nonsense a few days ago he said messi’s club performance has declined , with dembele injured coutinho and suarez out of form messsi single handedly carried Barcelona this season and it was almost perfect season for messi.
      He thinks we played good copa 2019 , everyone knows this was the worst argentina team anyone had seen even all the sports journalist said that.

  9. @Choripan
    “If we go with “press Resistant” doesnt that mean the other pressering forwards like De Paul and Lo Celso have to compensate for Paredes lack of defense.
    Vs
    A guy like ascac can take on the defensive work which frees up room for Lo Celso and De Paul to attack. Plus having a guy like otamendi behind them ensures the distribution out of the back isn’t interupted. In other words, Ota can take on distribution like he does for city and nt, Ascac destroys, leaving pressing forwards to focus more on attack and goal scoring.”

    (copy this link to browser)
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    Maybe there is some miscommunication. This is what I mean. Our midfielders are in inverted triangle. Chileans engage their forward press to attack our midfield base, almost 3 of them ready to pounce to isolate and counter, and paredes escapes and helps lo celso win a chance (yellow card to chile and shot by el toro from set piece). You have to think if you put ascacibar in this position can he do this. if not how the game changes. point is if you replace paredes it is a different rhythm of the game – which is fine but we have to understand it won’t look be like starting from same place.

    • True, if we remove Paredes or either De Paul or who else plays that other 3 in the midfield with Ascacibar or maybe even Battaglia(once he recovers and fully regain his previous form/sharpness) or any other destroyer who’s not that good with the ball, it might significantly affect our creative/attacking side of our play. Like you said whole midfield dynamic/ rhythm will get disrupted. It will/might weaken our creative play/attack and there’s no guarantee it’ll improve our defense as some are suggesting.
      Unless Ascacibar or anyone else capable is good with the ball as some are suggesting he is or significanlty improving in that aspect.

      I wonder what’s the take of those cry for a defensive minded player/destroyer : are they willing to sacrifice team’s creative/attacking part for that?

      • I too I don’t get it those whom
        Desperately crying for a destroyer
        They forget we had double destroyers
        Mascherano and biglia last decade.
        still The nt were vulnerable than .
        now we get dynamic midfielders
        Whom can dominate games …
        Paredes is way under appreciate
        The job he is doing now people
        Only look one aspect about him
        Which is he is not destroyer guess what.
        He does better job than that
        Which is retain the ball under pressure
        And break the play quick..
        Under scaloni the nt defend as collective.
        Which is much better than the relying
        Under certain play… to be destroyer.

        • Yes, more defensive midfielders/destroyers in the first 11 doesn’t mean or guarantee better/solid defense. Argentina NT of all people know that very well.
          To be honest, I’m not/have been a fan of Paredes but the guy is improving game by game for Argentina(still not a finished article) and improving the team as well. Some may not have deserved to be in the Copa 2019 team of the tournament, but the same could’nt have said about Paredes: he totally deserved it! Some Argentina fans won’t appreciate him, but others those who watched the Copa didn’t fail to notice.

          PS: I’d like to see Lanzini in the mid 3 along with Paredes and De Paul. Lanzini would be ideal in that position as I’ve said before. Really liked “la joya” under Slaven Bilic’s early seasons where he played that sort of role: same intensity in attack as well as defense. But under Pellegrini, he sort of become like a prima donna along with the Anderson’s and the Yarmalenko’s, not too interested in tracking back. Hope it’s different with the NT.

          • Batigol
            I&you and anyone who has knowledge
            About football agree that scaloni era
            Is just beginning… the process will take
            Some time we have be patient ..

            I love lanzini but I don’t think now
            Scaloni fancy him yet I can see
            He already prefers MacAllister ahead
            Of him.. that is the feeling I have now
            I may wrong..

  11. I am fed up with Scaloni’s testing policy. Whole the year testing thousands of players and in the tournament new XI in every match. Not only scaloni but many argentine coaches doing same for years and because of that reason no trophy for decades. you can test for 1/2 positions in a match not 7, 8 or even 11 positions man.!!!! In last match, when there is no messi, Dybala deserved to get full time on the pitch but didn’t get. You need to give those type of players full access to get some match winning performance at any point of the match.

    • I dislike his test policy as well but to scaloni’s defense; his starting line ups have been consistent! Armani, Otamendi, tagliafico, parcedes, DePaul, Messi, aguero, Martinez … dybala In Messi’s place …. locelso in attacking games, acuña in defensive games … I would love Tata as coach but scaloni has held his own so far.

  12. No, the real reason that many people stopped commenting is the tons of bullshit and biased negativity that took the place of objective and constructive conversation that a reader used to have the pleasure to enjoy in here!

  13. This team isn’t looking as good as some here implies. There hasn’t been any real progress from the copa. The player selection is great, but the result on the field isn’t. That’s one of the reason why people didn’t bother commenting after the last game

    • The problem lack of progressing since first matches of Scaloni, not since Copa…watch Columbia-Argentina in 18 and Chile match and you will see the same.

      • Not true. The progress was obvious during Copa. This team full potentiall and characteer will show on tournaments (when same line up will start again and again) not on friendlies when Scaloni’s is testing new players.

        Scaloni’s first general test (Copa) was positive. Not ideal cause he didn’t won it but seriously I think only Brazil was stronger.

      • So who cares?
        This albicelestes forum
        It’s only exclusively arg nt.
        Another question who Belgium
        Played against Scotland?
        No disrespect to Scots but
        When was last time Scotland
        Played major tournament
        Probably 20 years ago ..

        • As a football fan I respect de bruyne and godin see his performance for city and also for Belgium in wc or against other strong team
          I am really jealous of belgium fans because we don’t have such midfielder

          • I understand you munawar
            But I would love see Belgium playing
            Against likes Colombia Uruguay Chile
            Brazil and high altitude against
            Likes Ecuador Peru will be very
            Interesting… do you know bro
            South American world qualifiers
            Is the hardest at all qualifiers
            In fact it’s league of tournament.
            It so hard very tough

  16. 2 observations on Mundo:

    1. Messi’s absence is cutting by more than a half the number of people commenting here Argentina NT game (look at comments on Chile game)

    2. U-23 team performance got probably more attention than the senior side.

    • Maybe that would help cut much of the nonsense that goes around here if your observation holds true!
      This team is in transition as it should , slowly but surely the old guard will be phased out to make room for the new blood.
      I personally don’t care what was said about the scarcity of talent………I DON’T SEE IT, there is a ton of talent coming.

      • The “nonsense” also comes from haters of veterans.

        So I’ll add to your point – Maybe if the haters stop spreading bullshit, a lot of nonsense will be cut as well.

        • For you haters are those who have not such narrow football horizons as you and keep dreaming about Marias and other disfunctional old players in NT

          • Bro, leave the man alone, he is busy scanning through my comments history 🙂 which shows that he is here to score points against other members who disagree with his ‘narrow’ projections, not to support Argentina 🙂

    • Uhh you mean your “really really really biased” observation. As far I can tell, names haven’t changed much. Not sure what the heck your “observing”

      • Just proof of what I was saying a lot of times here: with Messi leaving NT some day the number of Argentina followers will be cutted by a half.

        You, Choripan seems to be most narrowed down in here to the famous names only. You need to broaden your horizons. I see in here people do that, even if they stuck for long time only to names like Di Maria, Messi, Aguero, Higuain, Banega, Romero and others, they finally understood we need to go ahead cause this football nation is to much gifted with talents to stay stuck with thoughts still in last decade or so. I see people have real fun on discovering the Argentina resources here and there. People are following young and olders, Europeans and locals while you stay in same place still claiming “haters” of old generation those who simply don’t want anymore some (not all) old names casue they found their own interesting alternatives.

        • > People are following young and olders, Europeans and locals while you stay in same place still claiming “haters” of old generation those who simply don’t want anymore some (not all)

          There are many that are opposed to veterans but i wouldn’t call them a hater. They criticise and its totally fine but they do so with objectivity in mind….interest of the NT…a much broader lens that you do. For you OLD = BAD, Young = GOOD. VETERAN = Bad, New Face = Good. in reality, you’re the narrow minded individual, not I.

          You are the definition so don’t group yourself together with those that simply follow younger. how many people have you argued with over this crap and you still think you’re not a hater? You think everyone that see this is blind or mistaking your words? Give me a break. and i’ve given you plenty of examples where you’re hater and i ain’t going to spend time posting them for you.

          • I’m making divisions? Man, just like some other I follow players form Europe and outside Europe. You follow only European top. Players outside the group does not exist for you. THESE ARE DIVISIONS.

          • @choripan

            Gonzalo should be appointed at stadium gates whenever Argentina plays holding a sign that says:

            “IF YOU COME TO SUPPORT ARGETNINA BECAUSE MESSI IS PLAYING, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED ENTRY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ARGENTINA FAN BUT MESSI FAN BOY”.

            I would love to see what they gonna do to him 🙂

            GONZALO,
            MESSI is the best footballer on the planet, and WE LOVE HIM.
            so live with it.
            and stop being ‘mundo police’

          • “Messi leaving NT some day the number of Argentina followers will be cutted by a half.”

            and we are extremely grateful to him because he doubled, tripled ARGENTINA SUPPORTERS across the globe and made many many people love ARGENTINA, unlike you, only spreading hate and disrespect

          • @gonzalo-pity-martinez

            don’t work too hard to convince us and portray yourself as the only one who follows global football, and the only one who is interested in Argentina football, along with others who fall in line with your ideas, but the rest are only following Messi football.
            what I noticed ‘many times that when there was no thread about Messi, or comments about Messi, or even when the article is not even talking about Messi, you just pop from no where talking about who else, but Messi or his generation, your eternal enemy 🙂 to ignite some reaction so you can spread your hate and anger towards the little man and his ‘friends’. are you really that bored? or does Messi cause you that much pain?
            Again, he is the best footballer in the planet and we are grateful to god that he created him ARGENTINE and made him play for US.

            PS. YES I am a Messi FAN

          • You don’t understand one thing: calling me a “Messi hater” or “oldies hater” by blind lover of that Old Generation means nothing for me. I’m not going to argue with this I will keep my broad football horizons talk, you keep your blind love to the Old Generation even if most of them is difunctional for NT today. That is most sad for you: one by one they are joining past.

          • “They criticise and its totally fine but they do so with objectivity in mind….interest of the NT…a much broader lens that you do. For you OLD = BAD, Young = GOOD. VETERAN = Bad, New Face = Good. in reality, you’re the narrow minded individual, not I”.

            May you support this with examples of my word?

            Or maybe you will helpless like the last time when I asked you to bring proof

          • CHoripan,

            another proof you are only oldies lover:

            you never comment when U-20 or U-23 teams play.

            I comment every Argentina NT game

          • You both can’t find a single my comment that could be any proof for being “Messi hater”. Mere words and insinuations. Poor

          • Gonzalo –

            I’m beginning to think you have reading comprehension issues. I already told you that I’ve given you countless examples of being a hater. I’m not doing it again because I’m wasting my time.

            You are delusional at this point. You actually think youre objective ….. You have no credibility when it comes to veterans.

          • ” I already told you that I’ve given you countless examples of being a hater”

            Where are? Not your insinuations words. Words of mine???

    • Sadly nobody really cares about Argentina without Messi (Aguero, Di Maria)…empty seats in US, against Mexico their fans will make a home ground, not helping at all Scaloni ugly, neirly unwatchable football, and lack of great performances of our new gen.

      • Mexico fans WILL ALWAYS OUTNUMBER any other nation coming to the States to play, especially if held in California, Texas , NY………so that is really a fact of life, nm outnumbering U.S. fans most of the time.

      • Csabalala you didn’t fucking watch
        So stop chatting sh..t.
        Argentina nt will never play unwatchable
        Football that game Chile was rough
        And the boys stood firm
        Don’t you see how Arg outplayed
        Brazil in thier backyard.. was that ugly
        Piss off you aren’t even man
        To tell the truth once in your life time
        All do is negative after lair pointless
        Statistics… arg nt will remain
        Competitive.. hate or love ..

      • “Sadly nobody really cares about Argentina without Messi (Aguero, Di Maria)”

        THis is not for people’s attention or making money on another Messi World Tour. This team is coming into being painfully but that makes sense.

    • Did you see any good organized attack in the match except a shot from Dybala? now watch the match highlights of U23! So many organized mouth watering attacks.

  17. I can’t wait next month friendly for Argentina when Icardi will be the main man and see the glimpses of my crush Wanda

  18. I have been always a big fan of Santiago Ascacibar , only a few bundesliga player was able was able to pass him last season , still cant believe he will now play in Bundesliga 2 . This guy is full of energy and doesnt let opposition attack smoothly.

  19. Have to consider how ascacibar fit effects the national team structure. It seems scaloni is favoring three man midfields or more importantly playing with one holding midfielder. With modern pressing forwards the solo holding man has to be the most press resistant. Even against teams that only tactically press and not full time press their most immediate threat is always through the middle as that’s the most direct path to transition and counter. In three man mids if the choice is between a press resistant player and a break up player the preference is always first in my view. hence you see parades employed here versus how team like France often prefers to put another deep mid. Please watch the opening four or five minutes of the Chilean friendly and you will see even sanchez and vargas attack paredes right through the middle immediately at open and succeed in unsettling him a little bit. Of course he recovers and settles later on as that is his strength.

    Point being with ascacibar it is highly likely you will have to play with another deeper mid, possibly someone like palacios. With this comes the downside that now you have to sacrifice one of the two strikers and our weak attack without any real wingers looks more toothless. However with double mids you can now have the freedom of pushing both your full backs up instead of keeping one behind – like how tagliafico in our case is kept behind to prevent paredes getting dragged sideline to sideline in counters which is his weakness. I’m not really against ascacibar and there is of course a need in the 23 but just pointing out how changes like these in the XI potentially effect balance up and down the pitch and how with limited playing time there is never enough time to find the right combination.

    • That is why scaloni prefers to play
      Leo parades as deep lying playmaker
      Because he can hold the ball well
      When opponent to press and
      Break the play quick that is the
      Strategy scaloni wants play not sideways
      Or Keep possessions for sake of it
      He likes his team quickly arrive
      The opponent box .

      • Marcos Senesi should play as a Cdm .
        Paredes defensive contribution is not very good
        Ascacibar is to short for Cdm + passing abilities is not good
        I know It is laughable but judging player with their height
        But as Cdm 3 quality
        Ball holding + vision + aerial duels

          • He had good reading on the on the game .
            It’s all about playing there slowly and surely he will get there.
            Positional awareness will also come. All about experience.
            I got a feeling that he will get a midfield role in Jaap Stam’s Feyenoord.
            In this generation. Argentina got various cb.
            In Tottenham Erik Dier plays as a Cdm. Being a cb.
            Ascacibar has verious lacking.
            But Senesi needs to gain experience . Senesi is known for his versatility also

    • That’s interesting.

      If we go with “press Resistant” doesnt that mean the other pressering forwards like De Paul and Lo Celso have to compensate for Paredes lack of defense.

      Vs

      A guy like ascac can take on the defensive work which frees up room for Lo Celso and De Paul to attack. Plus having a guy like otamendi behind them ensures the distribution out of the back isn’t interupted. In other words, Ota can take on distribution like he does for city and nt, Ascac destroys, leaving pressing forwards to focus more on attack and goal scoring.

  21. MacAllister is too good to be under 23
    So lich Martinez and Marcos senesi.
    I believe MacAllister will be regular start
    For the senior team very soon
    His ball skills are really good.

    • I think the same. To me one of 2 best talents in Superliga (along with Cristian Ferreira). He is conquering Boca quickly and so might be with senior NT. Agree he is rather senior team player than U-23, so i with Lautaro, Lisandro, Ascacibar, Palacios however it was just kind of show of force to line up all the best U-23 players. As I said below real doubt they will all accesible for the U-23 tournaments in next year. Anyway we have enough talent to replace even best players. For example if Lautaro will not be released then Gaich and Salas are strong options too.

        • That is true. He seems to be over-confident but I take him cause main problem with our young players is mostly lack of confidence. Gallardo might make him hell of a player

  22. the sub 23 team should continue even after the Olympics.
    It is way better concept than the local team.

    Ascacibar was, is and is going to be a must for the senior team.

  23. I have real fun with watching the U-23 team in breaks between senior team. We have enough players to build 3 good starting elevens in U-23 category. This one might be best:

    …………………..Cambezes

    …………….Senesi……….Lisandro
    Montiel………………………………………Ortega
    ……………………Ascacibar
    ……Colombatto………………..Palacios
    ……………MacAllister……Vargas

    ……………………….Lautaro

    however I doubt all the European players will released by their clubs for qualifiers in January. Even the Pan American Games team has a chance to qualify for Olimpic Games. Salas, Ferreira, Barco still may reinforce.
    ..

    • Instead of ascasicbar or colombatto I will play capaldo….he really looks like a good player.
      And macallister and Vargas seems to be same type of players so I will play only one of them and will replace with Gonzalez or Valenzuela.(Gonzalez can provide pace and energy and he has goals in him).

      • Having to choose between MacAllister/Vargas I take the first.
        Not a fan of Gonzalez. I prefer Cristian Ferreira over him. Valenzuela is better and better. I like him.

    • 2022 …………..Benitez……………….. Foyth..L.Balerdi.C.Romero..L.Martinez
      ……lo Celso….Senesi….palacios……..
      Benjamin Garre……..Pedro de la Vega
      ……………..LMartinez………………….

    • You think Senesi is better than Romero? I know Romero did not have the best game but overall I think he’s a very good defender. Also, Ortega or Bravo? Ortega played very well for U-23 while Bravo has been consistently good in Primera.

      • Absolutely prefer Ortega over Bravo while not sure Senesi over Romero however Senesi seems to be more predictable.

  24. I wish that AFA will take this U23 very seriously because it could lead to the olympic game qualification. Unlike Riquelme’s, Tevez’s and Messi’s generation, most of them never played together in U20 or younger division. Having players who know each other well, it’s a huge benefit for the team A in 2022.

    • They played a lot… Cambeses—Lisandro Martinez—Senesi—Romero—Foyth—Palacios—Ascacibar—Colombatto—Vargas—Lautaro—Zaracho, besides Vargas this was U20 WC team two years before, but Vargas, Macallister etc played with them in friendlies too.

  26. So for me atm this seems the strongest U23 for next Olympics: GK Blazquez/Roffo/Cambeses we have no starter goalkeepers—Ortega—L. Martinez—Romero—Foyth—Macallister—Palacios—Ascacibar—Zaracho—Vargas—Lautaro 7 subs: GK—Facundo Medina or-Balerdi or Senesi or Montiel (maybe 2 defenders is enough from them)—Nicolas Dominguez—Robertone or Colombatto—one creative attacking player Barco, Valenzuela, Urzi or Gonzalez—Gaich

  28. Ascacibar needs to move to a better Club… If he wants to reach the end of his potential….. I hope in January a club will bid for him….
    But he needs to move to a club where he will get playing time….

    • “But he needs to move to a club where he will get playing time….” its easy…”we still can’t make good use of Ascaciba’s outstanding talent. Every other NT would do that long ago.”

      If his potential is bigger than Kantes Ascacibar will be a superstar defensive midfielder in Manchester City or Real Madrid.

    • Defensively good, and started all of our attacks from deep, but his playmaking long balls were way off, and overall think too much before passing decisions, he need to speed up his thinking.

      • Also he will have to Dribble past all players and score Goals in every match… Defend like maldini…… pass like Xavi….Also save a penalty….score from free kick… score from Corner……Right ? 😊😊

      • “but his playmaking long balls were way off, and overall think too much before passing decisions”

        No CBs are taking quick decisions when it comes to initiate offensive actions with long passes. This is normal that player in CBs position, even best passer, is considering where he will send the ball. His passes are accurate, simply the defenders, with good positioning, were intercepting that.

        Look at his assist from last Ajax match. It took some time for him to decide:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LjQbYLQ3z8

      • “but his playmaking long balls were way off, and overall think too much before passing decisions”

        No CBs are taking quick decisions when it comes to initiate offensive actions with long passes. This is normal that player in CBs position, even best passer, is considering where he will send the ball. His passes are accurate, simply the defenders, with good positioning, were intercepting that.

        Look at his assist from last Ajax match. It took some time for him to decide:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LjQbYLQ3z8

  30. “Ascacibar’s overall potentiall is bigger than Kante” you are ridiculously exaggerating him.
    Although we need him in midfield but his development will not be possible in Bundesliga 2.

  31. Ascacibar’s overall potentiall is bigger than Kante (I mean defense-attack balance). Kante is already World Champion while we still can’t make good use of Ascaciba’s outstanding talent. Every other NT would do that long ago.

    • Generation of midfielders Argentina
      Getting now I liked what I was from
      Santiago Ascacibar above his tackling
      And energy I do think his passing is
      Good … unlike kidulthood and csabalala
      Everyone else know Argentina are producing
      Again and again… I was listening radio while I was
      On the motorway English speaking
      South American football expert were
      Saying Argentina nt are getting generation
      Of midfielders then he mention alexis MacAllister
      Palacios and Dominguez he praise all of them.
      Yet you people ignore positive side vs chile game.
      I really really liked what saw those three
      Vs Chile game and amazed when the guy
      Mention them..

    • Please and Valenzuela’s is bigger than Maradona’s…

      “Every other NT would do that long ago.”
      Long ago? Bullshit….Neither good club use him, neither…he plays in Bundesliga 2…and bang average even there….for me way too one dimensional.

      • Kante is much more complex, better shooter, better with the ball, better dribbler, much better passer, better stamina, betted defensively too, box to box, more discipline etc etc etc. and he is 28 years old, and wasnt used before 2016 (25 years old) but one of the main arhitect of Leicester miracle champion title…if Ascacibar does the same in Bundesliga with Stuttgart he will be praised like Kante this is only your usual propaganda, false comparision.

      • You and your big club vs the rest discrimination.

        France made good use on last WC of Pavard – player of the same Stuttgart team.

        thank you

        • no counterarguments as usual, dont even try, what a surprise…who are talking about Pavard? Ascacibar and Kante is the theme genius and your lies. ” Every other NT would do that long ago.
          Compare where he plays (Stuttgart in Bundesliga 2)…seems insoluble conflict. 100 good clubs didnt use him (not long, either) but every national team would have used him for long. Logical bro, logical…

          • Yes, Pavard. What could you say about Pavard before France won WC with him? Simply: he cannot be the right man being in so small club.

            Talent is talent. What matters are his NT performances. Sooner or later he will go to better club and the this might be obvious for others he was always NT material.

          • Calling him up from second division club might be similar to call up Mascherano from River reserves in 2004 by Bielsa. Nothing criminal

        • I dont see a single traditional national team with second division players, these nations dont existence. Only in your head, where Ascacibar has bigger potential than worlds best DM.

        • Besides I’ve said his “potential” with no reason. I didn’t said he is already better than Kante but when I see how he is connecting with forward line, almost like AM, (also attacking on the wings) I think his overall potentiall to develope might be bigger

    • At his age, Kante used to play in the 3nd division in France, so nothing is impossible. But your example with Pavard is not accurate, Pavard is one of the best for his position. Ascacibar need to stay in Germany and becomes one of the best DM there.

      • “At his age, Kante used to play in the 3nd division in France”

        Haha, that’s devastating argument, canadien

        that’s why we can dream about Ascacibar reaching Kante level. He is young

        • Yeah he played in Boulogne. But most of the people ignored that he was already one of the best in Europe even before arriving at Leceister. This guy can deliver no matter where he plays. If Ascacibar cannot be the number one in Germany, then I don’t believe in any miracle that can bring him suddenly to a better level.

          • I would not expect from Ascacibar making career in Germany. Your expectations are high and understanable but I would wait for Ascaibar in Spain or Italy. Germany soil is not good place for our players.

      • “But your example with Pavard is not accurate, Pavard is one of the best for his position”

        Yes, but who considered him as such before WC 2018 when he joined Deschamps team just moths before WC. No one. That was so much risky from Deschamps to take him as starter at RB and aim WC gold. So is with Ascacibar. This is so much risky to take second division player for Copa but IMO, in Ascacibar’s case, that’s worth of the taking risk

        • “But your example with Pavard is not accurate, Pavard is one of the best for his position”

          Yes, but who considered him as such before WC 2018 when he joined Deschamps team just moths before WC. No one. That was so much risky from Deschamps to take him as starter fullback and aim WC gold. So is with Ascacibar. This is so much risky to take second division player for Copa but IMO, in Ascacibar’s case, that’s worth of the risk

        • Well the truth is Deschamps didn’t have any option, initially the top 2 were Mendy and Sidibe but both seriously injured and never came back to their level. Luckily they have 2 natural CB who can play as fullbacks. Unlike Hernandez, Pavard is still far from the world class but quite useful for Deschamp’s tactics. I am always fan of a 4 men defense with 1 of the fullbacks who can play as CB. Just like France 98, Spain 2000. I hope Foyth can play this role with his club and with the NT.

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