Sub-20 Hexagonal: Argentina vs Colombia

1. Easily one of the worst sub-20 in the last 20 years or more… With Batista’s squad in 2009. When the Messi generation will have to retire little by little (ergo after 2018), we’re in for a good laugh imo. There are a couple of good players currently playing in Europe and in the domestuic league, but nowhere near enough to pretend being a first class nation of football… let alone winning a WC.

   • This is not very reliable – U-20 teams. Look at category category ’93-94. In Sudamericano 2013 they finish on the bottom of group stage. They were far worse than current team. Despite the fact we have so many talented players in this vintage.

     Messi is the only one who makes difference but even without Messi (or especially without Messi) we may reach at least the same level if only smart coach build balanced team. Who are Aguero, Higuain, Banega, Rojo, Biglia, Romero? What they really gave us?

     Theoretically the current crop of youngsters is less talented but try to go into detail:

     Goalkeeper?
     Is not Rulli more talented than Romero. Batalla is another interesting prospect.
     RB – I have no doubt Jose Luis Gomez is more talented than any of current right backs. Peruzzi is good alternative.
     CB – plenty of talented MODERN CBs: Pezzella, Mammana, Barboza, Figal, Cristian Romero, Martinez Quarta. Just few names.
     LB – I believe that Tagliafico may give us more than Rojo. FInally he was part of wall-defence Argentina U-20 WC 2011.
     DM – Ascacibar as no.5 is not less talented than Mascherano but still may give us more in attack as we have seen yesterday.
     other interesting midfielders: Kranevitter, Ocampos, Lanzini, Cervi, Salvio, Barco, Pereyra Lo Celso, Leo Suarez, Paredes, Escalante, Mauri, Alexis Castro

     attack: Icardi over Higuain. Dybala over Aguero. We have also Correa, Simeone, Driussi, Alario, Pavon.

     There are also talented players who still may ressurect like Cartabia or Vietto, De Paul, Centurion, Calleri, G.MArtinez. As always will there late awekening among players that are hidden with their talent now as 23-24. But wait until their 29-29. It’s best age for footballer. Look at cases of Perotti, Piatti, Trejo, Alejandro Gomez, Augusto Fernandez…

     • …………………Rulli
       ……….Mammana..Barboza
       Gomez……………………….Tagliafico
       ……….Ascacibar…..?
       ……… ……..Lanzini……….
       Dybala……………………..Correa
       ………………Icardi

       for me it’s not bad for future

2. Brazil lost to Uruguay while Ecuador lost to Venezuela. Unpredictable. Youngsters are unpredictable.

3. Too bad we can’t use some players. Alternative squad:

   ……………..Cambezes

   …………..Romero….Illanes
   Molina…………………………Olivera
   …………Ascacibar….Sosa

   Lovera…….. ..Barco……….Vadala

   ……………Maxi Romero

   Bench:

   Ponce
   Torres
   Ivan Gomez
   Rivas
   Delgadillo
   Messidoro
   Foyth
   Del Castillo
   Escobar
   Barrios
   Quintana
   Sandoval/Andereggen

   Julian Illanes is already Fiorentina player. Defender with massive talent.

   Olivera is River promising LB with experience in Primera unlike Valenzuela

   Diego Sosa (Tigre) – must

   Rivas – along with Lovera golden boy of ROsario Central

   Ivan Gomez is Ascacibar follower. The same club, the same position, age. And just like Ascacibar he was named best player of youth Frenz International Cup in Malaysia (Estudiantes won the tournament). Ascacibar was best player in 2015 edition while Gomez 2016.

   Delgadillo – like Ocampos

   Del Castillo – Spanish Cadiz player. I think he is talented. Not here just because Aguero brother.

   Escobar – another LB with experience in Primera (Temperley) unlike Valenzuela. Good season.

   Cristian Barrios – (San Lorenzo reserves) must watch some videos

   Facundo Quintana – (Estudiantes) – 3 goals in Primera previous season

   Sandoval (Colon) or Anderreggen (Union) – both ’99. Both a lot of minutes in Primera current season (unlike most of players in SUdamericano), Sandoval with 1 goal.

   • Unfortunately the coach takes a lot of players that are not talented.

     • Quintana is class ’96. He can’t be used for this tournament.

       • You are right. After soccerway he is born in 1997. But it’s mistake.

4. Torres was world class with his first touch and finish on the first goal!!!

5. An important win. Goalie could be forgiven since he’s so young. Other than Ascacibar, Barco, Torres, occasionally Conechny and Romero when he is not getting red I don’t see a lot of promise in this group of players.

   • You already mentioned too many here! How many you want?

   • Agree. Only few promising players. Most are just mediocree.

     I think it’s impossible one of Maxi Romero/Ponce have not been better than Martinez.

     And impossible Vadala or Nicolas Delgadillo have not been better than Mansilla.
     Leonel Rivas, Maxi Lovera (or Messidoro) despite their age were better in Primera than Conechny so far.

     And first of all Diego Sosa (Tigre) is player we lack in midfield. Ascacibar is alone. THere’s a gap in midifield still.

     Coaching is poor. I don’t see any connection between atacking players. No understanding. After few matches just like in first game. Mansilla is far from Martinez, Martinez far from Conechny…

6. I really cannot understand where from this interesting clubs like Real and Arsenal in Lautaro Martinez. He is type of of lazy Aguero but Aguero is still more talented.

7. Actually We have not second CM. Belmonte, Chicco, Ojeda – they are just weak players.

   Goalkeeper should learn from Neuer what is timing.

8. Ascacibar plays Mascherano role but still had assist and crucial cross pass in second goal. Also Torres (?) should have scored in 100% chance after Ascacibar’s run and acurate pass in first half.
   But Ascacibar was a bit exhausted in second half. I don’t know why. Stamina was always his strongest point. He plays too much in every club game.

   • They play in Quito! High altitude

     • Right

9. Goal!

10. Come on, have to win against 10, Brazil and Ecuador will be much more harder.

11. This team has just mediocree/poor atacking players – Martinez, Mansilla, Conechny

    • And bad defenders and defensive midfielders…

      • Nah, defence is not as bad as attack. Goalkeepeer is poor. He should learn from Neuer.
        Defensive midfielders? Yes and no.
        Chicco non exist but Ascacibar is the only midfielder who is defending.

    • Btw this is not true, imo Conechny more talented than Driussi, Barco the next big thing, and not accidental the whole world wants Martinez, but due to the defending we start every match minus 1 goal.

      • COnechny is very talented only in theory now. He was outstanding in Argentina U-17 but never after. As far he is sluggish, lazy and unmatured. Of course Barco is great talent.

        But Mansilla and Martinez are weak players for me. The first is like Di Maria in worst moments and the second is lazy like Aguero.

12. This guy is younger than Barco, and scored 20 goals in the columbian Primera B last season.

13. Fastest goal

14. Torres, always Torres, he’s far from our biggest talents, but definitely know how to score goals, like Icardi or Gio Simeone

    • Exactly

      • Torres is like a real beast Infront of goal! He will definitely improve as a no 9.

15. https://golazoargentino.com/2017/02/02/arsenal-make-contact-over-argentina-under-20-international-lautaro-martinez/

16. Without Barco once again. And Molina too. I don’t understand.

    • Columbia number 10 younger, than Barco

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