There are strong reports coming out that Atlanta United’s Gerardo “Tata” MARTINO is set to become the new coach of the Mexican National Team.
Per reports by ESPN and other media outlets, the Mexican FA have a “strong candidate” for the vacant post and MLS coach Gerardo MARRINO appears to be the prime candidate. Nothing is signed but the Argentine is waiting to decide on his future with current club Atlanta United.
Gerardo MARTINO has also been heavily linked with taking over as coach of the Argentina National Team.
Is there a Scenario comes where Gallardo can be our Coach?? He is good isn’t it. He disagree with AFA leadership, But if sorted out he may can be a manger which we r looking for. Scaloni most probably wont continue as per Tapias words. There is a Mystery coach which he has in his mind, Who would that be??
Is it coincidence that Sabella, Tata, Bauza, Sampaoli who some of them have total different philosophies select the same players, implement the same tactics, and play some unbalanced, uninspired, dull, slow, out of position football?
Is it coincidence that those guys had success before they became nt coach and even after?
How is it possible they end up playing the same defense, midfield and football although some of them are different?
I don’t think of some of them highly but I think their hands were handcuffed.
by whom they know.
Their lap dog and asskisser mentality cost them of being successful.
Instead of affirming themselves as boss from beginning they went on to beg certain players “please come back” affirming themselves as beggars not authority.
they accepted to be puppets and lost face!
whoever the next coach is must have full power and no interference or he will become a joke just like Sampaoli has become.
Which will never happen as long as thereβs AFA. But for some reason it seems to me that this Tapia dude is actually trying inatead of being a bureaucratic clusterfuck.
But I agree, bringing back Tata and Masche as his assistant sounds terrible to me. The whole national team environment needs a breath of fresh air so that all the familiarities between players and coaches gets knocked out. People seemed to get to casual, too familiar and too installed in a position that they started to forget the proide factor when you play for the National team. Basically taken for granted.
Now realistically I donβt expect like a 100% revamp, but if at least the midfield survives, we will be super competitive. By surviving, I didnβt mean just the personnel and squad survival, I meant with the idea and play.
I always thought and believed that a teamβs identity totally depends on the setup of itβs midfield. If your team has Mascherano, Banega and Biglia you are going to play like Mascherano Banega and Biglia. Thereβs no hiding on that. Because its the midfield that dictates where your wingers will be, where your number 10 stands and where your defenders positions initially. Basically, you set up your entire teamβs structure on the basis of your midfield: wheather you gonna play a high or low block, inverted fullbacks or hugging the touch line wingers- everything is judged and designed on the basis of your midfield.
And I love the way our midfield functioned during the last round of friendlies. The idea of narrowing the midfield by staying close, pressuring to get the ball back were superb. I would love to see those things against Brazil too where they donβt really press you super high.
If the midfield gets stable and rooted in this team, personnel in defense and offense isnβt that big of a deal because they are relatively easy to replace. And we produce a ton of wingers and wide players, because thats how they play in the Primera – stop and run. Thats why wingers and CB in a low block are never going to be any problem. They are numarous.
Only in Argentina 3 consecutive major FIFA final appearances is considered a failure. losing in the last 5 minutes of extra time in the WC final against one of the strongest German teams in history( after missing clear cut chances on goals by palacio and higuain), and 2 penalty shoot outs in both Copa 15/16 . tough luck maybe, but not a failure.
the most catastrophic failure was the last WC, which was the easiest to win looking at the teams performances, and the failure relies completely on the shoulders of the crazy baldy who drove a Toyota like a Ferrari until the wheels broke off with a bang.
Losing a final is a failure when it comes to Argentina!!!!!!!!! We are not England or Croatia or !!Why are we always one of the title contenders ??
Argentina is always among the elites, that’s very well known. I consider Argentina a failure if they do not reach the semi finals.
according to your definition, a title contender implies playing for the title! right? winning it is another case.
under sabella, Tata, and even Bauza, Argentina played many times better than under Sampaoli. that’s a very well known obvious fact. The catastrophic failure was under his command.
Enlighten us how losing that 2 back to back Copa finals is considered a success.
neither reaching 2 finals in a row is a failure. maybe a disappointment.Let me ask you this: If Argentina won one of them, would you still consider the other one a failure?
We are talking about Tata’s team and tactics mate. if he had integrated new talents and given some deserved chaps a chance instead of some guys who wanted to retire but forced to play and some disinterested and unmotivated players who took their place for granted, I would’nt be asking any questions would I?
@batigol_gaucho
Then that is Tata’s fault, not the players. I agree he had to refresh the team.
As per me Tata was a failure, He wasted so many friendlies he should have brought youngsters. He had the time in his side. By the time Bauza and Sampa came in it was rather critical situation , Our Qualification was in threat. He is not that good of a tactician, He even failed with the Golden Generation of Barca.
Sabella was a real deal. He was very good. Had clear idea about what he was doing. Had he continued we would have at least won 1 Copa i think. (We cant predict but he was good) He entirely reconstructed the team which was in shambles.
Once again I’m completely with you, Ghostdeini, on this.
I just disagree on Sabella. He didn’t failed. We have played great under him before WC (even if some of our stars were out for injury), ugly football in WC, crawling to the final but generally for all the good work Sabella deserved silver coin (Argentina didn’t deserved as much as gold). The final was real success but that moment was peak of the generation and then it is descending.
You forgot to include chem trails and assassination of JFK. Congrats for winning the tin foil hat comment of the year award.
“Is it coincidence that Sabella, Tata, Bauza, Sampaoli who some of them have total different philosophies select the same players, implement the same tactics, and play some unbalanced, uninspired, dull, slow, out of position football?”
Uhhhhhhh. What bullshit are spewing??? They used different tactics. Bauza and Sabelka played 5Atb and were heavily defensive. Tata Martino actually played great attacking footie in some matches.., possession with a purpose. He utilizesd our attack the best of all the coaches,. And finally Sampa, fuck knows what he was trying to do.
“Is it coincidence that those guys had success before they became nt coach and even after?”
Is it coincidence that some players pay great for club but horrible for country..
“How is it possible they end up playing the same defense, midfield and football although some of them are different?I donβt think of some of them highly but I think their hands were handcuffed.
by whom they know”
Don’t know, go ask them instead fabricating lies and blaming Messi and Co. You’d be a perfect fit to work in the Argentine media. Your post belongs in a tabloid not in a sports forum.
“Their lap dog and asskisser mentality cost them of being successful.”
Bullshit. No, their dogshit tactics, substitution picks, and overall management choices cost them.
Instead of affirming themselves as boss from beginning they went on to beg certain players βplease come backβ affirming themselves as beggars not authority.
They came back because they were simply the best. 2018 choices were awful though , leaving Icardi home, not picking #5, playing Masche / biglia, etc if the WC team had the current midield + Pezzella and a coach that didn’t fiddle so much, we would have done much better, possibly even win.
they accepted to be puppets and lost face!
whoever the next coach is must have full power and no interference or he will become a joke just like Sampaoli has become.”
Sampa has no one to blame but himself. He turned himself into a joke for his horrendous tactics and formation choices. You think Messi and Co commanded that he change tactics and players 30 times during the qualifier? Do you think Messi and Co made him try 3ATB against Croatia when NONE of it players had any experience with that formation? Did Messi Force him to drop our best striker Aguero against France? All the reports of the players taking over were grosslly exaggerated.
Lastly, to echo EBO …only in Argentina are there petulant spoiled brats that call themselves supperters and blame players and criticise reaching 3 finals. If 3 finals are a failure, what does that mean for ALL OTHER TEAMS THAT DIDN’T REACH ANYTHING? By your logic, there is only 1 good team and everyone else is a fucking failure. The lapse in reasoning is astonishing
I don’t imagine how in the name of god, a coach with the right state of mind lays down a plan and tactics to play ‘total football’ with high defense line with a bunch of old timers(Fazio, Mascherano and biglia) without a proper #5 and no striker.
right from the start of the match against France, the highway that Mbappe and Griezmann ran through should have been closed.
Absolutely ridiculous. Spain slaughtered us with high backline and slow defenders. Even Roma tried high backline in CL with Fazio and it failed. In order to the support the high backline, you need intense pressing from the midfield and that was impossible considering Masche, Perez, and Banega had no pace left. And with all this, Sampa did exactly what would have weakened our team the most. he almost did everything in his power to neutralize our strengths. mind boggling.
You re correct mate that is so true
I don’t know why they all failed.
Personally we obsessed messi than we
Forgot the rest of the team .. since maradona days to last world cup
Every manager was licking messi ass.
And messi brought his average friends.
That is why Argentina couldn’t win anything.. I know messi helped us
At some time supposed be strong leader
Tell mangers pick up the best possible team . Don’t worry about me let’s be
A collective unite team rather you focus
Me too much . I said before.. as much as
We love Messi it better for us messi to quit from Argentina duty.
I have to disagree with you on this.there is no such a thing of Messi bringing his friends.
“En una reuniΓ³n convocada por los jugadores ante la delicada situaciΓ³n que atravesaba el plantel de Sampaoli, los jugadores le reprocharon al cuerpo tΓ©cnico la falta de comunicaciΓ³n: “No nos llega lo que decΓs. Ya no confiamos en vos. Queremos tener opiniΓ³n”.
Sampaoli consultΓ³ a la plantilla y fue Lionel Messi el que respondiΓ³, segΓΊn cuenta Senosiain: “Me preguntaste diez veces a quΓ© jugadores querΓas que pusieras y a cuΓ‘les no, y nunca te di un nombre. DecΓme adelante de todos si alguna vez te nombrΓ© a alguien”.
in short, the players went to Sampaoli after Croatia game and told him that they don’t understand his tactics and instructions, so they do not trust him. then Messi told Sampaoli after:
“You asked me 10 times which players to put and which not to, tell me in front of everyone if I gave you just one name” Tapia and other players were there.
That was all over the news but no one is referencing that, you can research it it’s there.
@ebo yeah I wrote those statement long ago and I believe it’s true.
But I’m saying is why is every manager who managed Argentina
Last 12 years had this obsession
With messi. Why they couldn’t build
A solid unite team with messi focal point in that team.
I believe some of Messi friends took
Advantage from him ..
Still I can’t believe that sampoali took
World cup to fazio over pezzela
Parades over biglia bataglia over mascherano higuain over l Martinez.
Playing meza over lo celso.. so many
Faults i can’t write everything on this
Page.
Messi’s curse is his brilliance, he set the bar very high. WE never expected and demanded Argentina win all the finals, until Messi’s time, We got used to him being the best, unintentionally. For example He scores average 50 goals a season, if he scores 30, WE consider that to be a failure, right? If Barca does not win, people say Messi was ineffecive, If Argentina does not win, WE blame Messi. That is his curse, do you agree?
Likewise Coaches will always try to make him the focal point of the team, which is wrong, because no one can do it right except few who spent a lot of time with him. even the players, unintentionally look for him to be the magician, he knows that, but sometimes he is just overwhelmed. HE is blessed and blamed at the same time, why? because he gave us the impression that he is not supposed to fail.
One more thing that is too clear, Di Maria sat at the bench in Croatia game, Aguero sat at the bench in France game. How do you explain Why Messi left his best friends on the bench, but still preserve that he brought his friends to play with him? It’s very clear that it was Sampaoli’s decision.
That is good point I can deny that
The reason why Sabella, Tata, Bauza and baldie all used the same selection is because it was Sabella’s selection! The very selection that allowed Argentina to reach it’s first final since 1990 and so the other 3 adapted it without attempting to make many changes yet hoping for different results.
I get your frustration and remember that we (Argentina’s fans) are just as frustrated as you are but with that said I can’t agree with you on Sabella, the man created a team full of flair and brought out the best out of messi. His fab4 system allowed Argentina to dominated the WCQ and when that system failed at the world cup (thanks to injuries) he adapted quickly and created a highly combative team that made it to the final and could have easily won had messi, pipita and palacio not crapped the bed.
The team didn’t always play pretty I grant you, but there was organization, spirit and defensive fortitude whenever the albicelestes stepped onto the pitch.
I really hope that Scaloni gets to stay and gets a proper chance even if his team gets thrashed by brazil. I hope he continues to select those youngsters and continues to improve even if Argentina fails miserably at copa next year because a proper project takes atleast 4 years to see full realization.
Good news..!
I want Scaloni to continue. Any update about declaring the squad pls??
phew a big sigh of relief from me if tata signs for mexico,
hes had his chance and failed to learn from his mistakes in losing in 2 finals exactly the same way, he was simply out thought in both of them yet he had the keys to the Ferrari. he kept to many of the same old players , failed to seriously integrate youth and of course the famous 65-70 min sub of a striker for a striker no matter what is happening on the pitch.
his stock was so low after Argentina no team wanted his services and for 18 months remained unemployed until Atlanta f.c in the u.s saved him.
I thank you mexico afa for taking him.
The scary thing is that he was outplayed by Sampa…
Exactly!!!!!!!
I think Tata was good in covering our weakness, was cautious with his formation and tactics not to expose our week defense. He would have done a better job in the WC than the crazy baldy, But I like Scaloni and wish he is given more time, He started us in the right direction and he had the balls to not pressure Messi into coming back to the team like Bauza did in 2016. For me, 2 coaches would be good for us at this moment, Gallardo or Scaloni. If we get another coach then Scaloni has to stay involved. At the end AFA will try to do what benefits them financially(mostly), but I think they will try to keep the project going to entice Messi to come back. Because Messi as you all know, will not come back unless he sees fundamental change in the team and the management.
Best Argentine gk at the 25 yr old Walter benitez of nice 2 man of the match performance out of last 3 match, miles ahead of rulli & also former U-20 goalkeeper of argentina https://youtu.be/2bd_4jioqPg
Talking about yesterday’s boys’ performances, the standout has to be Romero! Boy,it was so quick! His first start might be the last he gets this year or this season depending on whether he’ll get the nod in fa cup games or De Gea not available.
That freekick and the red card incident clearly sums up our “best goalkeeper(according to some)” Romero’s career. Always the second choice wherever he plays, can never argue with that.
For those who spoke about “form” and “selection”, now do you want Romero in the team for the upcoming matches(and probably in future)?
PS: In future, for selection based on ” form” one has to play. Now that league cup run is over there’s no way Romero is getting any playtime this year or the season; FA cup he has a small chance and the rest depends on De Gea’s availability.
You and Some of your folks are like “select Funes Mori because he proved himself in Copa’16.” and “select Benedetto because he deserves a compensation for his injury during the WC.”with this logic Romero proved himself for 10 years with the National Team and got injured & was removed after the call for the WC which is even worse, so why we should’nt select him??
Fernandez,
I’w reading your rare comments carefully. And I know the attitude. You sounds similarily to some member.
Who have said Romero should be removed???!!!
Romero is the only one of old generation who should should be in future team no doubt because he never failed during tournaments unlike Aguero, Di Maria, Otamndi and others.
“he is much better than Rulli or Andrad”
Show me the base on which you compare ROmero with Andrada? It’s baseles statement. There already point of refernece between Rulli and Romero, because botha have played for NT. But Andrada didn’t played yest so please do not throw statements without support. It’s just supposition.
Gonzalo
Your folk Batigol said Romero should be removed. Please read his comment first then talk. BTW why are you triggered by this???
Armani, Romero and the third, young promising one (Andrada or even someone like Pourtau) should be our keepers.
Where on earth have I said i wanted Funes Mori? If you have read my comments you wont be saying that. I was always against his selection from ScaloniDay 1. But to his defence he had/has a good chemistry with Pezzella and he is not a benchwarmer like Romero is/was for his club. He starts and plays some matches. Same goes for Benedetto also but he’s a certain starter unlike Funes Mori.
PS: And how many games did Benedetto had to prove himself,eh compared to Romero?
Atleast he didn’t made a blunder like Caballero or Armani & he is much better than Rulli or Andrad. So Romero is the best Argentinian GK and will always be the starter for at least 2 more years whether you like it or not.
Romero was very decent till he gets the red card, it happens due to lack of playing time.
Oh really. Whose fault is that? (not getting playing time) And when will he be playing regularly? Anxious to know.
When did Armani make a blunder playing for Argentina? You talking about that France game? Mbappe 1st goal?? If that’s the case here’s your Romero ones(there are plenty but not goin to mention all those)
WC 2014:
1.Bosnia goal
2. Nigeria first goal
3. Gotze goal(maybe a bit harsh)
And clearly there is no need to mention the last night blunder.
Yupp I m sick of seeing people saying that Romero is the Best we have. What the Hell. He is and Was always average, He was not error prone. Thats it. he also got thrashed on WC match isnt it? 4-1 Germany. I m sure he also would have let in some goal had he continued against Spain in that friendly.
Romero was always lucky too.
batigol_cowcho
It has something to do with short-attention span. Out of sight out of mind. His mistakes are forgotton and dont forget he is in a group of players who people love more than the team. They are fans of that generation. What team won a title with a reserve goalkeeper? He will be a reserve all his career.
People can say whatever they want, but I’ll never get deluded by anyone’s opinion. I always support the best players and that doesn’t include any “generation” of players. But I feel sad for those who say players like Benedetto and Andrada are better than Aguero and Romero respectively. They are the ones who have an ignorant attitude towards a generation. I always say there should be a combination of youth and experience. Maybe only 2-3 experienced players, but the ones who are best because it is important to take them. At present, I believe only 3 players from the older generation should come for Copa America and they are Romero, Messi and Aguero. Maybe Otamendi too, because they are the best in their respective positions and I don’t see any replacement for them ATM. Rest of them like Di Maria, Banega etc. should not be selected, because we have ample and better options than them. Also young ones like Meza, Rigoni etc should not be selected because they are simply not good enough. Both the extremes who ONLY support one generation and hate the other are ignorant in front of me and yes, I LOVE ARGENTINA TEAM, NOT A SPECIFIC GENERATION.
True @GhostDeini
“What team won a title with a reserve goalkeeper? He will be a reserve all his career.”
1) what an asinine comment. Romero was an excellent servant to the NT. Our losses are not his shoulders..fucking hell the moronic misguided emotional irrational hatred of the senior players is astounding! You’re telling me he’s horrible because we didn’t win the WC but if Higuain managed to score that goal, now Romero would be good again? Doesn’t make any sense.
Romero is an anomaly. Always second choice for club but his position in the NT was NEVER AN ISSUE. He has always played well despite not playing regularly for club. Caballero was horrendous and Armani played really poor as well. I’d say Armani + Romero + Rulli should all fight for the starting spot and I wouldn’t be surprised if Romero makes it again but it will most likely be Armani.
“Always second choice for club but his position in the NT was NEVER AN ISSUE.” There lies the issue. That’s the problem. The inept managers never even gave others a chance. Caballero when he had a good season at Malaga and Rulli when he was the best Argentina keeper who was playing club football regularly at Sociedad a couple of seasons ago. Just like the other unfortunate outfield players- namely Dybala,Icardi,Lanzini,Vazquez to name a few who was never ever given a chance to prove themselves.
PS: How many matches has Armani played for Argentina?
You are ones who want new players out of the squad even when they have not played a game or enough games to prove themselves and crying for the historical pecho frios who have quailty(some) but no right mentality or attitude to be included in the squad no matter how unacceptably poor they perform for their respective clubs and the national team.
“There lies the issue. Thatβs the problem. The inept managers never even gave others a chance. Caballero when he had a good season at Malaga and Rulli when he was the best Argentina keeper who was playing club football regularly at Sociedad a couple of seasons ago. Just like the other unfortunate outfield players
1) I think you misunderstood. I meant that the keeper position was never an issue in terms of performance. Romero has been an excellent servant to the national team, i couldn’t have asked for anything more from him. He was very poor in distribution but I felt very confident with him in the net. He was easily one of the best keepers in the WC 2014 and for both copas.
“namely Dybala,Icardi,Lanzini,Vazquez to name a few who was never ever given a chance to prove themselves.”
2) Im just as annoyed as you when it comes to Icardi and Dybala. Not that they are doing great now for the NT, but its absolutely insane they were not used more.
“PS: How many matches has Armani played for Argentina?
You are ones who want new players out of the squad even when they have not played a game or enough games to prove themselves”
3) You have me confused with someone else. I couldn’t be happier with the current midfield and defense. Attack on the other is where im feeling the greatest doubt. Besides, i don’t view inclusion to the national team based on senior vs new or old vs young. I want players that can integrate, perform, are inFORM, and have good chem with each other.
“and crying for the historical pecho frios who have quailty(some) but no right mentality or attitude to be included in the squad no matter how unacceptably poor they perform for their respective clubs and the national team.”
4) “PECHO FRIO ” Ahhhh, I see. You’re one of those. Theres nothing more than irks me than to read supporters calling our great players “pecho frio”. People like you remind me of petulant spoiled kids that think trophies are owed to them and cry and name call when it doesn’t go their way.
5) Also, i would never ask for a senior player if they are out of form and playing really poor for NT. Same applies to youngster, drop them if they play shitty. Meza is a good example. I want to see him again at some point but for now, he’s lost his place to Palacios, Martinez, Lo Celso, etc. Again, inclusion should be based on FORM, INTEGRATION, CHEMISTRY, and FUTURE in mind. It should not be binary like YOUNG vs OLD, SENIOR vs NEW. Thats how a 7 year old coach would pick their team.
[BTW – of the Seniors – i only care for Messi, Aguero, Otamendi, and Romero (Di Maria as sub, dont hate me ;)]
Finally more good news!! Mexico, enjoy.
If he becomes Mexico Coach, Then we have one less opponent to fear about in Copa and the WC. :))
By the way Tapia is saying our Next Coach will be “The best technician in the world” Which is Scary to hear?? Last time he said something like that he brought Sampaoli..Sooooo
https://www.tycsports.com/nota/claudio-chiqui-tapia/2018/09/25/la-condicion-que-pretende-tapia-para-el-tecnico-de-la-seleccion.html
Why u said so? Iβm worried another Argentinian manager will beat us with different team.
No team beat Argentina except Brazil and European teams, Argentina beaten by themselves against those South American teams
I mean he would probably ruin Mexico (Meant to be a Joke)
Haha. Poor Mexico.
Is that what he said before bringing Sampaoli? Mmm..let’s wait and see what happens.
Wondering who’s that “mystery technician”? Who can that be?…
Yupp he actually did say that about Sampa.
Tapia is turning out to be a joke…. He’s fitting well in the AFA actually.
Oh no!!!! he is going for Bauza again!!
Bauza was our Worst coach ever as per me. We would not have had qualified had he stayed. Ironically i had thought that he would NEXT SABELLA. In fact there was no team. It was a catastrophe. Sampa was better as per me.
Some Coaches cant handle too much talent may be.
Bauza was awful. Sampa was also fucking awful, mind boggling
If Tata martino becomes a Mexico manager that means is almost certain
Scaloni will be albicelestes manager
Which is most of us wanted. But l have big respect for Tat.
Messi don’t like Tata therefore appointing Tata will close the door of messi returning to the NT
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