Nicolas Otamendi, Gio Lo Celso out of Argentina team vs. Mexico, Lautaro, others to start

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Nicolas Otamendi and Giovani Lo Celso are out of the Argentina team as there are rumors of a potential line-up vs. Mexico on Tuesday.

Only four players who started in the 0-0 draw vs. Chile are expected to remain in the starting eleven. Lucas Martinez Quarta, Leandro Paredes, Rodrigo De Paul and Lautaro Martinez are rumored to start, this per a report by TyC Sports.

As for Nicolas Otamendi and Giovani Lo Celso, the Manchester City man will travel back to England as was previously stipulated. Gio Lo Celso will miss out due to a knock he received in the first game.

Goalkeeper Esteban Andrada will start in place of Agustin Marchesin, who kept a clean sheet against Chile. German Pezzella and Marcos Acuna might get the start as well. Nicolas Tagliafico, Gonzalo Montiel and Paulo Dybala’s presence will depend on their recovery and fatigue.

 

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  5. Gonzalo… I didn’t see the game but Vargas, ascacibar and Valenzuela were the stand outs in the first game… I saw Robertone started in Valenzuela’s place today. How did he do?

    • Robertone was one of our best players. It’s funny, few time when he got the ball I had glimpses of Messi. I mean only he has something similar in silhouette. Needs improve some things but this is material for superb AM

  6. (I know it’s boring and it’s already said many times here before)
    To all the Kidulthoods out there and the no.1 propagandist Kidulthood who changes his opinion(s) minute by minute and also the team he supports, who have bizzare logic( that doesn’t apply to his team or players) and belittles and vilifies any Argentine player who’s “not” in the so called “golden generation”(before or after whether he’s a legend or not):

    1. For him all of a sudden Germany, England and Belgium are world beaters ( remember what he constantly says/said about Bundesliga, Premier league players?)
    2. Tata Martino is a genius coach now (the one who was vilified before)
    3. By his bizarre logic,
    a)Portugal 2016 team should or could never have won the Euro if the golden Portuguese generation couldn’t in 2004.
    b) If England golden generation couldn’t perform or even compete then how could a current mediocre set of England players outperform/ play miles better than any of them now?

    PS: Some are using false Joachim Low analogies. As far I can remember he used friendlies and mickey mouse competitions to test new players, give as many oppurtunities and experiment things. Yet there were competent in every major tournaments they played( except the last WC) reaching atleast the semifinal stages and even winning the biggest of prizes of all( ironically against us, a coach that treated friendlies as world cup finals).

  7. good job by the AFA making this match free to go to in exchange for food. so many young children with their grandparents etc come to see. pleasure to watch the joy in their faces and support.
    vamos!

  8. Still I think we could do better if not the red card for Colombia. So was during PanAmerican Games. With one man more motivation is going down. Anyway the crisis of youth teams (IMO due to coaching problem) seems to be past. Don’t know what KidultHood was writing on his too long to read post but for sure there was something about poor youth generations. Last months must be nightmare for him.

    • I have to say that this sub 23 team has everything to win gold at Olympics and they seem much more fluid and skilled in final third and overall passing quality than our senior national team. They mainly attack through wings and hence more sufficient. Hope senior team also find a way to attack through wings and not just middle.
      Vamos🇦🇷

  10. Ascacibar is not only defensive dominator, he is also decent passer and still growing on this. Everywhere on the pitch.

  14. I like what I see in the attacking areas. Most of our players are good: Lisandro, Robertone, Vargas, Ortega. But one is a beast – Ascacibar. He must be in senior NT. Countless interceptions.

    On the other hand not best game of Romero so far. At least 2 important mistakes.

    • capaldo hit one or two interesting through balls. i think it was his forward ball from mid that led to move and penalty.
      still a bit inconsistent, like that pass from romero he let go and romero had to recover. but interesting to see his development from being marcone’s cover in boca to this.

  20. Team from training:

    Andrada; Montiel, Germán Pezzella, Marcos Rojo, Tagliafico; Exequiel Palacios, Paredes, Marcos Acuña; De Paul, Lucas Alario y Alexis Mac Allister.

  22. THis team starts today against Colombia:

    Joaquín Blázquez, Facundo Mura, Cristian Romero, Lisandro Martínez, Francisco Ortega; Santiago Ascacíbar, Nicolás Capaldo; Nico González, Carlos Valenzuela o Matías Vargas, Lucas Robertone; Ezequiel Ponce.

  24. Whole Argentina flipped for Maradona taking coaching of Gimnasia y Esgrima.
    Poor Gimnasia. Hahaha. I feel sorry for them.

  25. probable line up for tuesday according to Ole: 4-3-1-2
    Andrada;
    Montiel, Martínez Quarta, Pezzella, Tagliafico;
    De Paul, Paredes, Acuña;
    Mac Allister;
    Lautaro Martínez y Dybala.

  26. Another round of ARGENTINA games comes with another round of arguing and fighting and the same story rears its ugly head again, “the highs are too high and the lows are too low”.
    Scaloni is the manager now (NOT MY CHOICE) but be that as it may, he’s in charge now and there is nothing WE can do about it except wish for the best.

    Its either we gonna show the world what this young coach can do or we will forever be destroyed and forgotten.
    I have been a member for quite a few years now and i’m often depressed or annoyed whenever I visit from between the fighting and the nonsense, I check it numerous times on a daily basis to stay on top of the news but thats about it.

    • yeah, thats the main point – very little to no choices for alternative coach. Even if we accept that, that wont prevent people from bitching about it 🙂

  27. Most of poeple don’t want many names of last Copa in NT anymore: Casco, Di Maria, Acuna, Pereyra, Funes Mori, Guido Pizarro, Guido Rodriguez, Suarez, some questioning also Pezzella and Saravia. Now add to that understandable absences of Messi, Aguero, Foyth or inconsistent Otamendi, plus the fact we are looking for third striker (you need one on the bench especially if you prefer formation with 2 strikers) and you see it is nothing unaccpetable Scaloni has called Gaich, Dominguez, Correa, MacAllister, Dominguez, Quarta, Lanzini and other new players.

    If he starts still with Otamendi, De Paul, Lo Celso, Paredes, Lautaro, Tagliafico, Armani. Add to that obvious starters like Messi and Aguero and you will see those who accuse Scaloni of changing again and again our players are spreading false propaganda.

    Simply: we need new options while Scaloni still keeps core of his starting eleven. You can’t deny this. This is continuity.

    Also players like MacAllister, Palacios, Correa, Lanzini, Gaich, Quarta, Dominguez are most outstanding for their clubs recently – so they are not from nowhere. Yes, they deserved to be the alternatives for those who didn’t looked well during Copa.

    • Don’t mind they re contradicting themselves
      They throwing right to the left new players
      New informations and yet they are saying
      We should stick core of 23 players
      That’s lack of knowledge about football
      What friendlies matches suppose to be ?
      Plus they coming here and glorify
      Other nations

    • Gaich? Please….nobody really cares who will be our 17-18 or 19-th man, when they will play cca 10-20 mins in next Copa? Would be 10X more important to build some chemistry with the same freakin team over and over and over again (with Messi and Aguero ofc next time), how Deschamps, Tite, Löw, Del Bosque or even Sabella made their team great, this idiot experimenting leads nowhere. And we all know Gaich wouldnt be in the Copa squad even if he will be top goalscorer in Argentina. (he wont)

      • “nobody really cares who will be our 17-18 or 19-th man, when they will play cca 10-20 mins in next Copa?”

        Really? You don’t care. Ok. But professional coach should care. Maybe Scaloni is amateur but you are 100 time more of amateur if you think like this. Yes, it matter who will be our third striker and 10-20 mins in Copa is hell important.

        This is the more important if you have two forwards being 33 and 32.

        “build some chemistry with the same freakin team over and over and over again, how Deschamps, Tite, Löw, Del Bosque or even Sabella made their team great”

        Sabella was great coach who had the abilities to accomodate to situation. That is not true he was using same players during qualifiers and WC. He used a lot of players. Injuries made it impossible to play same team. Still he was able to make decent results with less known players like Guinazu, Montiel, Peruzzi or Brana. Even losing to Uruguay (that had must win game) away in last game of qualifiers (2:3), having already booked the place on WC, playing with B team against one of the strongest Uruguay in history, we saw Argentina playing great football.

        During WC He was forced to change his ideas on starting eleven with CB Fernandez being flop (Demichelis introduced), with injuries of Di Maria, Aguero, Gago.

        So yes, it matters who will be our sub. Only ignorant don’t care. Even amateur Scaloni takes care.

    • > Most of poeple don’t want many names of last Copa in NT anymore: Casco, Di Maria, Acuna, Pereyra, Funes Mori, Guido Pizarro, Guido Rodriguez, Suarez, some questioning also Pezzella and Saravia.

      I do agree with your first statement. Nothing wrong with searching for alternatives

      > f he starts still with Otamendi, De Paul, Lo Celso, Paredes, Lautaro, Tagliafico, Armani. Add to that obvious starters like Messi and Aguero and you will see those who accuse Scaloni of changing again and again our players are spreading false propaganda.

      Can you clarify? Are you saying if he starts with this team..people will still criticise?

      Lautaro – Aguero,
      Messi
      De Paul – Lo Celso – Paredes
      Tagliafico – Otamendi
      Armani.

      • No, I wanted to say: Scaloni has already clarified most of starting eleven names that I and you mentioned above. Just few question marks in starting eleven. And he keep starting the players even in friendlies ( so was against CHile)

        The line up you posted above eems to be worked out by Scaloni. So I really can’t understand how people may accuse him of being still at starting point or blame him for calling up new names to find better alternatives for the players that failed in COpa or simply those who cannot play current friendlies.

        The new call ups are sensible to replace weakest points of last Copa 23 squad. These are mstly most in form players.

  28. “El DT piensa en probar al Huevo Acuña por Tagliafico o Lo Celso”. Tyc Sports

    Scaloni is still sticking here and there with Acuna. I don’t get this. If we are calling new players still that’s to drop the likes Acuna finally. Not impressing at all.

  29. Its sad to see how teams like Portugal ,Netherland ,Mexico ,Colombia are progressing but we are playing football like immatures
    I think it will be best for us to stick to a right plan ,game play and result oriented coach in big tournaments with a core of 23 players and not calling every random player every now and then who don’t deserve or are bench warmer (most national teams don’t call bench players example umititi ,rakitic even though are stars haven’t been called because of less playing time )
    We should use 4141 formation like Portugal and try to attack and defend as a unit
    Our problem in last one year under scaloni is shaky weak defence with no proper plan to mark and nullify attack and our offensive gameplay has been poor too with minimal central or wing penetration ,passing and positioning has been poor too

    • Lb L Martinez lcb kanneman/senesi rcb c Romero/otamendi right back foyth /montiel
      gk benitaz /rulli /masherin
      Cdm ascacibar/Battalia/Dominguez
      4 man midfield = Vargas/lanzini ,palacious ,de Paul ,messi and a centre forward

    • WITH ALL RESPECT, I think our chances to progress with Scaloni are better than changing coaches right before the qualifications and COPA2020, I agree in order to start seeing real progress he needs to come up with the 23 main players very soon , rather than end up calling all the players that kick and run of the population of Argentina, or hell worse maybe have an open try outs for the whole country 🙂

        • Maybe, but considering the circumstances, no one else stepped up to the plate, or AFA just wanted to silence the critics and did not work hard to get someone else.
          also, more devastating mistakes took place since the end of COPA2016 that contributed to our current state of uncertainty. I give Scaloni credit for not bending over for critics and the media, and sorrounding himself with good assistants. but hope he will keep introducing new faces to the minimum ASAP, not sure of the number, but i think he called about 120 players so far. I don’t know why can’t he find 23 and stick with them, since Argentina is full of talented players ?
          one year should have been sufficient to land the list or be 90% certain, but now he is going backwards by calling ROJO,WHY HE DOES THAT? I don’t know

          • 120 players is too much ,okay I can understand that he needs to test which players are suitable to play in his system (though his system and game play is not yet visible ) but this excuse of rebuilding again and again cannot be said ,we hVe to win copa next year and qualify for wc

  30. Best Argentina 11 at moment(4-3-1-2): Marchesin – Montiel Otamendi Foyth Tagliafico – Lo Celso Paredes/no5 De Paul – Messi – Dybala/lautaro Aguero

  31. G.Montiel is good Right back.Right now our right back is better than our left back.Tagliafico should be axed from left back position.Our left back should be Marcos Rojo.He is brave at defending and calm at attacking.
    For right back Nicolas Figal should also be given chance.Pezella should not be in squas any more.Lautaro Martinez is very good but he is not difference maker.

  32. Argentina could only scrap by a Mexico C level team in their own country not so long ago and was dominated in midfield and easily lost out to possession to Mexico in both games. Remember Tata Mexico easily defeated a stronger Chilean team in the US the last time the two teams met. Now blind fans think Argentina will dominate Mexico who will have the likes of Héctor Herrera and Andrés Guardado in midfield compare to the team Mexico used for the friendly games in Argentina. Not to mention in Mexico attack Javier Hernández, Hirving Lozano and Raúl Jiménez are options in the final third, three players who also didn’t play in the two friendlies in Argentina. Mexico will be playing in front of a partisan home crowd in the US, they will likely embarrass this Argentina team who is going to crumble under pressure despite this being a friendly game, but for Tata and Mexico I doubt it will be a friendly game. The current Argentina team will not come close to defeating this resurgent Mexican national team in the US in front of a sold out home crowd. You can already see Tata Martino impact and playing style on the Mexican national team, something we haven’t seen from Scaloni who does not have the ability to improve Tahiti national team in a weaker confederation let alone Argentina. Mexico is one team you don’t want to lose to be it a friendly or an official game, the bragging rights their fan base will have will go on forever. Hopefully Rojo doesn’t play because a humiliation is on the cards and he will be the scapegoat for the Scaloni followers just as Mecardo was against Venezuela in Spain.

    Scaloni is an average coach, the pass he gets is beyond mind boggling. Take Buaza for example, this man came into the coaching job in a tough situation right in the middle of qualifiers where he had to face Chile, Bolivia, Brazil and Colombia. These were high stake WCQ FIFA official games where the margin of error was zero. It’ s like Buaza was thrown in Cesar Coliseum and was left to fend off gladiators and ravenous beast. Sampoali who at least won a tournament and coach a top club in Spain was thrown in this same do or die situation and people were expecting Argentina to fly out of the gate playing like Sampaoli Chile Copa America winning team. Results didn’t favor these guys especially Sampaoli at the 2018 world cup so they were thrown by the waste side. But Scaloni get a pass! Scaloni didn’t improve the team because Argentina conceded the same counter attacking goals against Colombia and Brazil at Copa America like they did against France at the 2018 world cup.

    Scaloni who is consider by many here as the greatest coach ever is as clueless as they come. This guy has had little to no impact on the team or the players in terms of playing style and tactics as a coach despite playing like eleven friendly games and a full FIFA official tournament. The headline after the Chile vs Argentina game was that the game between the two teams was ‘’dud,’’ this was on a major sport news outlet. Yet this was the greatest performance ever according to Scaloni disciples. Scaloni only exist as a coach to call up every single youngster in the Argentina Primera because this is the new criteria for being a good coach according to many of his followers. Why is it so easy for average players to be selected for a national team like Argentina? Where did the prestige go? The over the top praise for these new young players is so ridiculous, players who haven’t accomplish anything at youth level wc or club football. But it’s all good because they’re all ‘’talented.’’ These Primera players make Rashford and Lingard look like Aliens on a football pitch, this is how far back Argentina as a national team have fallen compare to yester years. The bar for Scaloni has been set so low where to a point he can do no wrong as far as his followers are concern.

    This notion about rebuilding is nonsensical. If you have quality players at your disposal whether young or old, then transitioning to the national team should not be that difficult. And this is the problem with the current Argentina generation, majority of the new players lack quality. Moreover, there aren’t many big game players in this Argentina current setup. The notion that these guys are going to win a tournament is laughable at best. This is by far the worse Argentina generation arguably in the existence of football and it’s not even close. How many games did it take Carlos Queiroz to make an impact on Colombia? Just a handful of games. So why this excuse for Scaloni and Argentina? Shouldn’t Argentina be way ahead of Colombia given Queiroz was appointed in 2019? How many games did it take Martino to make an impact for Mexico? How many games did it take Tite to make an impact on Brazil? How many games did it take Ronald Koeman to make an impact on Holland? You guys can keep thinking Argentina is making progress with Scaloni. Look at Scaloni performance against South American teams thus far, if you do the math, nine games; 2W,4L and 3D! Now if you put this in the terminology of CONMEBOL WCQ’s Argentina would find themselves on 9 points from 9 games, this is not looking good. And Scaloni have improve the team how? Being young is no excuse to play horrible and disjointed football. A young Brazilian team won the 2007 Copa America and a young Germany team won the 2017 Confederation Cup. So the young argument excuse holds no water, the players are just average and are being hype up for showing absolutely no world class quality.

    The lack of Argentinean New Gen X players participating in the UCL is also a bad sign of regressing. You need a decent contingent of your national team playing in the UCL season after season, this helps to improve the players game level and mental strength of playing on the biggest stage under severe pressure. The lack of Argentinean players in the BIG clubs and participating deep in UCL will have a negative impact on the team going forward. Until this change, you’re going to have an Argentina national team made up of players from mid table European clubs and local clubs, while nothing is wrong with this, it’s just that it’s not enough to compete with the other stronger national teams who have majority of their players featuring in the UCL season after season playing for the best clubs.

    When it comes to the world cup, the sporting media will always hype the national teams with the most players from the prominent big clubs across Europe. This is a branding exercise you see towards the likes of Germany, Brazil, Spain, France, Belgium, Portugal etc. in the past several world cup cycle and you can add Holland and England to that list when the next world cup comes around. Argentina was only in this conversation mostly because of Messi along with players like Masche, Higuaín, Di Maria and Aquero, as an overall team, not so much.

    When it’s all said and done Argentina is a World Cup Quarterfinalist/Round of 16 national team. This has been the case since the 1994 World Cup with the exception of 2014. Argentina for a longtime from 2012 through to 2016 was a strong Branded national team, in this period the team was consistently in the top 3 of the FIFA rankings along with Spain and Germany. Also in this period Argentina had a lot of the starting XI national team players participating in the UCL and playing for some of the biggest clubs in Europe. The stats are there to prove this and so no need to list them, all this during the Messi generation, a generation that won two U 20 World Cups and an Olympic Gold medal. A generation that played in a World Cup final in 2014, something the team haven’t achieved since 1990. I mean, if you think making the World Cup final is easy then you haven’t watch Argentina played in since 1994.

    All this bickering about how these new guys are so great is laughable at best, I have never seen a set of mediocre players assemble on a football pitch. If these guys are so great, then why are they playing in relegated to mid table European clubs? If these guys are so great why are they not lighting up the UCL as we speak, oh wait mid-table clubs don’t play in the UCL instead they’re use to finishing 60 points behind the eventual winner in Serie A. River Plate couldn’t even defeat the great AL-Ain at the club World Cup yet people think the Primera is in a position to compete with the best leagues in Europe. The Primera is a mediocre league right now, the league was great in the 1990’s and early 2000’s. The passing of the ball in the Primera is atrocious and the play is always scrappy then you wonder why these guys looks so mediocre when representing Argentina.

    It took Germany 12 years to make another world cup final. It took France another 12 years to reach a world cup final. It took Spain 100 years to make a World Cup final. Italy haven’t made a world cup final since 2006. Holland haven’t made a world cup final since 2010. Brazil haven’t made a world cup final since 2002. It took Argentina 20 plus years to reach a World Cup final. And going by these stats, I don’t see Argentina especially with the current players and coach qualifying for the next world cup let alone making it to at least the semis. Argentina will find it hard to reach another World Cup final. The Messi generation haters will come to realize that reaching a World Cup final is not as easy as ABC.

    Just show the veteran players some respect and appreciation, Belgium got a home parade for placing third at the last world cup. Messi generation have been ridicule for reaching a World Cup final, yes the bar is to always win the world cup but history suggest Argentina haven’t been consistent at the tournament. So with this behavior, the same people who tarnish the Messi generation are putting unprecedented pressure on the new players because according to them if these players existed in 2018, 2014, 2010, 2006 etc. Argentina would have had four World Cups by now. Mind you, there is nothing to back this up, but for some reason this is how people feel. On here a Copa America third place finish where a team won three games (Qatar, Venezuela and Chile) is a greater achievement than a team who made it to a World Cup final while beating teams like Bosnia, Nigeria, Iran, Swiss, Belgium and Holland and only losing to Germany in 120 minutes by one goal. Swiss, Belgium and Germany were all FIFA top 10 teams at the time.

  33. Hope Esteban Andrada can make the GKing position his own. He is young too 28 years. So he can serve us for more years. Hope he wont be error prone. To be fair Marchesin also don’t make much errors but some how i don’t find him as our GKing solution, Armani is over for us, His cycle should have end at the Copa. He has great reflexes for sure but he is very bad with his feet. Damn bad.

    So our base players is set:
    Pezzella, Otamendi, Tagliafico, Paredes, Lo Celso, De Paul, Lautaro
    These 7 players r the pillars of Scaloni, Apart from Otamendi rest all 6 can serve us for long term. Battaglia too was a suppose to be there had it not for his injury.

  34. All this fighting, bickering and name-calling has gotten old a long time ago.
    You can spend all your time posting on this website day and night about what, why, how…….and it wont do a damn thing in the real world and if you have’t gotten this point then you’ll never will. Say what you want to say and move on.

    ***Romance King, ENOUGH ALREADY with the Wanda horseshit.

    • @dfox1942
      No disrespect, but who said the things posted here bear any outcome in the “real world”? Maybe a couple of them, but no more imo.

      I’m no tactical or match analyst or a coach by any means and I don’t pretend I am. I post only my raw views/opinion/support, no tactical analysis or formations about the team and football in general. I’m under no illusion that anything said here bears any outcome in the “real world”. Some of them might think that the coaches/players read these posts, thats their business.

      I’m not abusing anyone here let alone racial/xenophobe nor do I say nasty things about players(any players). Although I might have called some of our golden generation pecho frio, diva/prima donnas etc and I regret it particularly the pecho frio one.

      • Bro, we only argue to add a spice to this, otherwise boring forum, no disrespect, imagine if we all agree here, how boring it will be.
        Sometimes, I think we all should get together somewhere and scream our lungs out 🙂

  35. Batigol_cowcho.
    You re one the few guys who always give
    Honest opinion.

    I know mate some people can’t get over it
    Under caretaker manager with almost
    New squad except few players plus
    Big man messi didn’t perform as much
    As he used forget di Maria otamendi
    Was hopeless at times .. Then what happened
    under caretaker Manager and his new
    Squad stood firm without relying messi
    That it self was positive if we all be honest.
    Can you imagine this was first time
    Very long time we had players early 20s
    Foyth l Martinez were both 21 and
    They played big party of it …
    Now I can safely say messi independent
    Of Argentina nt is over … that is another
    POSITIVE thing . Having say all that
    Everyone who has right mind know
    still long way to go.
    Argentina nt are in process rebuilding now.
    After long damage overstayed old guards
    Another thing weather people criticize or
    Be little the superleage but fact is.
    its main sources Of Argentina nt
    As i said earlier Personally I like when young Argentina players Move to Europe.
    In early age I mean from 20 upwards.

    • Yes, there were more positives and surprises during and after the Copa. The team is progressing. And no one is saying it’s a finished article like some are assuming. As I said, it’s an agenda.

      • I think the majority are not assuming it is a finished article, but at this rate it will take 2 or 3 more years at least, and that is not good for Argentina reputation.

        The only positive thing I see from the last game, which was a friendly and not so much can be criticized about, is the fact that Argentina football is changing to ‘total football’ which is a good thing but bad at the same time. Argentina is not used to play this type of football and to switch playing style over a year will make it difficult to compete in the near future. Scaloni is stuck in between playing with natural wingers vs inverted wingers, 4 at the back vs 3 at the back, a destroyer or no destroyer. wing backs or natural fullbacks. if he keeps rotating tactics radically then we will go no where. he has to make up his mind quickly and produce the list of 23 by November, even if ends up not calling Messi and others. and then introduce one or 2 players every possible occasion not 10 or 15 new faces. WE just need to salvage whatever we could because the idea of going through the qualifications and COPA2020 as another practice and ‘experience’ for the team is absurd.

    • “You re one the few guys who always give
      Honest opinion.”

      My friend, does that mean others are not having honest opinion because it is not according to your standards? or the opinions will be honest only if they agree with yours? maybe my honest opinion does not fall with your honest opinion? we all have some degree of honesty.

      • Ebo bro
        I don’t mean to disrespect others
        Some people have in common
        A lot things example you & choripan
        Always back up each other
        And It never bothers me .
        Yes there few guys in here I agree
        A lot things they comments abaut
        Argentina nt.
        Ghostdeini .batigol cowcho are one
        Of Those people.

  36. “@mrinal1235 :“what happened during the qualifiers under him.Like that never happened” you dont know what are you talkng about or you are a liar in qualifiers we played 6 games under martino and lost only one game was against Ecuador due to garay’s blunder although we faced all the big teams Brazil, Uruguay, Colombia, Chile .Argentina was 2nd on the table just behind Uruguay. Brazil was behind us and it was the best stats under any argentine manger in WC 2018 qualifications . Sorry to say lasttime Argentina played like argentina( fearless) was under Tata Martino. he resigned because AFA didnt pay him for last 2 years, he was never forced to resign or else we would have played a different WC in 2018.”

    The point is Mrinal, you’ll see only in terms of stats and superficial stuff. The 6 games under Tata Martino were as follows, (you’ve put Uruguay there by mistake or deliberately trying to prove your point that we faced all the big sides during that stage):

    1. Argentina 0-2 Ecuador
    Like the result ,the performance too was abysmal at “home” turf. Never troubled Ecuador goal. I can’t say for sure it was Garay blunder for one of the goals (he’s human, he’s no immune to errors), but you can’t mask team’s performance at home to one individual mistake( often reliable player and our best CB).

    Should’ve been 3 points on paper. Ecuador like Bolivia, usually are dreadful away from home. Defo, 3 points lost.

    2. Paraguay 0-0 Argentina
    Paraguay not Uruguay, you see.
    Another 2 points lost on paper.

    I’m saying 2 points lost bcoz Argentina side were the side who reached the WC final and core of the players, infact almost all of them have been playing together for almost 4-5 years and are established stars at club level. There’s no excuse.

    3. Argentina 1-1 Brasil

    1st half was good, but didn’t turn up in the 2nd half.
    The interesting point is, it was arguably the most atrocius Brasil side since I don’t know “ever” maybe.
    In your words, “fearless” Argentina, “real” Argentina with “Tata Martino” could’nt beat that diabolic Brasil even at home, never mind thumping them.

    Conclusion: 2 points lost. Brasil gain 1 point.

    4. Colombia 0-1 Argentina

    Colombia were invisible, there was only one team in this game. Credit to the team, although I don’t rate Pekerman’s team(s).

    5. Chile 1-2 Argentina

    Massive win even if it was against a struggling Chile side.

    6. Argentina 2-0 Bolivia
    It should be more about the scoreline rather than winning. A definite banker.

    Conclusion: 1. Beat Chile and Colombia away, the only remarkable feat during that time even though it weren’t their strongest times.
    2. Failed to beat arguably the most atrocious Brasil side anyone has ever seen for ages at “home”.
    3. Lost at home to Ecaudor and failed to beat Paraguay.

    In regards to Martino’s departure, I won’t argue with you but you once said and fighted foolishly saying that Zidane was “sacked” as Real manager, and not Zidane “walking away”, remember that?
    I don’t know what would’ve happened if Martino stayed as the manager (another assuming: we somehow “got to the WC”) and would’ve fared in the WC, you seem so sure. In your logic, Tata’s superior side couldn’t beat an inferior Chile side on both occasions in the Copa finals in regulation time: Chile edged both finals, stopping Argentina from playing their game and contained them magnificently(particularly the first final. Superstar assembled team struggled to keep hold of the ball).

    Now look at the points tally at that stage(after 6 games):
    1. Argentina : 11 points (fearless Argentina)
    2. Brasil : 9 points (atrocious Brasil)
    The other teams were only marginally behind these sides. I guess Ecuador on top.

    • ““Tata Martino” could’nt beat that diabolic Brasil” We are struggling to beat diabolic brazil since 2005 in an official match , we lost to a very weak brazil side in Copa america . Dont forget argentina were playing without Messi in those games. after tata left we could not win a single match in qualifier without Messi.
      Yes we lost two “Finals” in penalty shootout but anything can happen in penalties. But we never looked in troubled in the road to final.
      In copa 2019 we only managed to beat Venezuala and Qatar lol, we lost to colombia 2-0 for the first time.
      You are saying we were unlucky to lose against Brazil , i dont know if 36 years old dani alves easily passes Paredes and Tagliafico and Gaberiel jesus dribbles Pezella like he was not there was luck has to do in these thing.
      If Scaloni stays Argentina will hardli qualify for the WC 2018 you can talk to me afterwards. I dont think there will be any improvement in Copa 20 from 19 under scaloni even if it is at home.

  37. Sink to another new level, Csabalala. Each second you find new and new depths to sink to. Racism, xenophobia, c*** jokes/insults… Take your pick.
    “delusional feelings, hate and your dream worlds”: How ironic!!!

  38. I just hope that this friendly is not just for experience to bring and try new players but it is more on processing to build a chemistry and team work of new team with young players in need of mid term projects Copa and WC 2022. We are aware that our last previous coach approach did bring new face but at the last moment before tournament they did bring the veteran / have passed their prime time and big names. With the exceptions of Messi. Then the chemistry start over again at last minute. At least the starting XI of each role and post have to be confirmed and knows each other very well and can work as a solid team…

  39. I would like to see
    1) Montiel getting 1 more chance. Locking down a RB is v important & 1 game is too less time
    2) Quarta partnering Pezella this time.
    3) Parades & Guido are known players now. Parades clearly the starting favorite. Will be good to see Dominguez getting a full match in CDM role
    4) Depaul starts & Zaracho plays in 2nd half.
    5) Since Locelso is out , Lanzini as CAM & Macallister as sub in 2nd half
    6) Start Dybala & Lautaro again & give bring Gaich by 70th min .

    So for me the team vs Mexico should be
    Andrada ( not a fan & I don’t think he is our long term )
    Montiel – Quarta – Pezella – Taglifico
    DePaul (Zaracho) – Dominguez – Palacios
    Lanzini ( Macallister )
    Dybala – Lautaro ( Gaich )

    misses in these friendlies :
    1) got LoCelso as CAM & hoping coach finally brings him there
    2) try Lisandro as CDM . Lot of hype & lets see how he lands.
    3) Bring back Kannemann who could have been 1 long term CB

    • the final 23 ( as of now ) IMO:
      GK- Benitez, Armani, Marchesin ( Porto experience will increase his confidence)
      DF – Montiel- Otamendi-Pezella- Tagliafico ; Foyth, Kannemann,Acuna
      MF – DePaul – Parades- Palacios ; Zaracho, Guido, Asacibar ( 1 pure destroyer) , LisandroM
      CAM- LoCelso , Messi
      FW – Dybala, Aguero, Lautaro ,JCorrea( for variety)

      Otamendi can be slowly phased out with Kanneman starting & CRomero or Quarta filling the role.
      Happy to hear thoughts

  40. What is going on here people seems to
    Prove thier points I thought we all here cose
    Argentina nt. There is no point to be
    Divide between old guard vs new guard.

    I can only talk for myself when it comes
    Argentina nt. The way I see it if the player
    Is good enough to play the nt
    Has to be there weather he plays
    The local or European top leagues.
    Obviously I perfer Argentina young
    Players to come Europe in early age
    And can adapt European style
    Which is nt can benefit from them.
    That doesn’t mean we have to ignore
    The superleage.. to be honest without
    The superleage Argentina won’t be
    As top nation as they are today because
    All those players whom playing in Europe.
    95% of them played the local league
    Some point in thier time
    Before they become well known players
    Around the world.

    The problem I had with the old guard
    They way overstayed

    “our failure in last COPA was bad luck”
    when opponents were weak
    we ONLY managed to beat the weaker teams and draw against unimpressive Paraguay when Armani saved our ass.”

    😁that is very interesting is anyone
    Remember cops 2011 in Argentina
    Which group was Argentina?
    Argentina vs Bolivia 1-1
    The weakest team in S America.
    Argentina vs Colombia 0-0
    Argentina vs coast Rica 3- 0 0r 3 -1
    I can’t remember well.
    Argentina vs Uruguay 1-1
    Argentina out for penalties in quarterfinals
    That was second tournament
    Most old guard played di maria aguero
    Higuain gago.
    Messi tevez and mascherano
    Whom played few tournaments
    Before . Banega and levezzi was
    Thier first tournament.
    To be fair is not shame to lose semi final
    Against Brazil in thier home soil
    Especially when referee favour them.
    So which one is the worst losing home
    Against Uruguay in quarterfinals or losing
    Against Brazil in semis in thier back yard.
    In thier first experience in big tournament
    Likes lo celso paredes de Paul l Martinez
    Foyth pezzella saravia Guido Rodriguez.

    • Godin11, it’s an agenda mate. Conveniently forgets what happened in 2011 and pushes their agenda of 2019 Copa campaign was nothing but “fortunate/lucky”. Every team needs a bit of luck, here and then. I won’t deny we got lucky against Paraguay with the crazy handball decision which is now common throughout the world and Otamendi escaping a sending off( the penalty offence was surely a yellow card) and Armani saving our blushes. So what about the eventual champions Brasil??! Remember the semifinal, propagandists??
      In 2014 WC, we didn’t have any luck, did we??!

      The one thing that “not surprisingly” goes under the radar or gets buried, so quickly that the 2019 team is in a rebuilding phase and most of them inexperienced and not “superstars” at club level.

      • “So what about the eventual champions Brasil??! Remember the semifinal, propagandists??”

        Yeah I remember when our defense and midfield got over run and caused us 2 BS goals. our players were at stand still, some say oh, they thought that was a penalty against Aguero, yeah, right that is professional behavior to stand still and wait for the whistle.

        • Apparently this is why it’s a “propaganda”. I agree with you, the two goals were daft mistakes.
          1.But you won’t admit that Brasil got lucky via biased or incompetent refereeing and also Argentina outplayed Brasil in their own backyard , an inexperienced Argentina side in transition against a well balanced strong Brasil( one of the top 3 side in the world for me). Plus Argentina midfield without a traditional destroyer, full of ball players/attack minded players still suffered (ignoring the refereeing controversy if you want) still managed to keep Brasil attacks/counter attacks at bay, even when they(Argentina) went gung ho chasing the game. I can’t remember an Argentina side doing that to Brasil in recent years. If we go 1 down, or stay level, with destroyers/defensive minded players flooded in midfield, Brasil would look like scoring in every counter attack they get(plenty) and often the score line would be embarassing.

          2. You again conveniently ignores or forgets what the state of the team was then and now. Once again that shows your propaganda, one that you’re so desperate to disseminate.

          3. You’re in denial, there were no positives during and after the Copa 2019. Even the ardent of Scaloni haters were surprised of the progress of the team made during such a short time. Every one was stunned. But no one is under any illusion that it’s a finished article; the job is still under progress.
          But you’re programmed to believe the opposite.

          • “But you won’t admit that Brasil got lucky via biased or incompetent refereeing and also Argentina outplayed Brasil in their own backyard ,”

            do you see what I am talking about?
            HOW IN HELL do you think, or conclude or decide, or take as granted that I do not admit or I disagree that the referee was A hole? and he robbed us of at least one penalty?

            this is exactly what I mean when I say that some make shit up and accuse others of imaginary ideas just to support their argument.

          • … and a professional player does not cry for some refereeing bias, if we did not concede those stupid goals maybe the shitty refereeing would not have affect us that much anyway. kids only blame the referee.
            the refereeing was not the driving force behind our loss, conceding those 2 stupid goals was. even though we might have come back in the game if the referee consulted VAR where he should have.

            Now go ahead and interpret my word as if I am denying the fact that the referee was not fair, just because I blame the defense and the midfield for the 2 goals. just to serve your agenda and prove me wrong and you are right.

    • “our failure in last COPA was bad luck”
      when opponents were weak
      we ONLY managed to beat the weaker teams and draw against unimpressive Paraguay when Armani saved our ass.”

      any productive counter argument to the above fact ??? rather than talking about irrelative points? rather than accusations , inventing and planting words into other people mouths?

      and where did you get the idea of division between old and young?
      where did I underestimated the effort put by the younger players? my point was apply your rules at all players not just as you please and see fit

      • “when opponents were weak”

        –Once again, you’re trying desperately. In denial. If you look at it that way, let’s see:(this has been discussed many times here before)

        During Copa 2015 and 2016, which team were stronger outside of Argentina(favourites) and Chile(inferior to Argentina in every aspect). Brasil was never in the picture, the side who were always the thorn in our side over the recent tournaments/competitive matches. And yet you think that there the strongest editions of Copa. Uruguay was there and is there as always( in Copa 2019 too).

        In Copa 2019, we had the strongest well balanced Brasil side for ages and heavy favourites at home( and never a lost a Copa at home if you care for those stats), then Uruguay stronger than before, Colombia being tougher nut to crack under Quieroz than a roll over under Pekerman, then Chile being Chile. Plus Argentina being an inexperienced side in transition.
        You tell me which were the weaker? If you want more, in Copa 2016 can you consider Chile being strong at all? They were under free fall at that time( more than us). Still couldn’t beat them in normal time/extra time.

        • goals scored vs goals conceded stats in COPA 2015 COPA 2016 tells it all. and yes teams in 2015 and 2016 were stronger than teams in 2019, you can go ahead and try to convince yourself as long and as far as you could otherwise, but facts are facts. WE had a team and was destroyed completely instead of rebuilding and starting from scratch, now we lost focus because we are back at square one just like last September. argentina now is still in disarray, more and more and more new names are called. if you are one of those who is entertaining that bullshit 10 year project, then you have no faith in Argentina, we are not some third word soccer nation to take us that long to build a team. Argentina does not go to COPA for practice. but many sacrifised 2019 COPA and still willing to sacrifice 2020 COPA by throwing more names.
          if there were that many alternatives to those players in 2014,2016,2016 then why Scaloni is still looking for more and more players for a year now and still can not find proper 23 to build chemistry. it is obvious that there were not many players that were available then, or those who accuse the players of hijacking the team and overstaying produce some names that were good then at that specific period of time. some said even mascherano and bigilia were bad in 2014,2015 and 2016. come on now, do you really believe that.

    • people who call for division are the ones who call for total exclusion of all young or all old squad, that is DIVISION. people who try to paint a rosy picture of what we have now, as if they are better than what we had before. because they are not better,yet. in the future maybe, but they are not better yet.
      now don’t go ahead and put words in my mouth and say ?I am hoping for the NT to fail, because that is an accusation that has no concrete or legitimate excuse to think so about people who differ in opinion with you, there is argument and counter argument, if you have any valid counter argument, say it

    • “To be fair is not shame to lose semi final
      Against Brazil in thier home soil
      Especially when referee favour them.
      So which one is the worst losing home
      Against Uruguay in quarterfinals or losing
      Against Brazil in semis in thier back yard.”

      you see you are right there making a division?

      “What is going on here people seems to
      Prove thier points”

      and it seems you are one of those who are here to prove your point, you said that before, you said once that you are happy that the new younger generation played well which proves that people who think that Argentina is finished after Messi generation are wrong. I don’t know where you got the idea that people think Argentina is finished after Messi generation? I never see some one saying that here. and if they did, they must be out of their mind. because that is against normal cycle of life. no team in the word is finished when generation of players leave. you just put words in people mouth. that is just making things up, again to prove your point.
      my point was some say Argentina had bad luck last COPA, but they deny that bad luck in WC2014, COPA2015 and COPA2016 and call it failures. but you picked and chose only certain aspects to relate to 2011 and 2018. irrelative to my main point of calling some with double standards. come on just be fair without prejudice.

      • “I don’t know where you got the idea that people think Argentina is finished after Messi generation? I never see some one saying that here. and if they did, they must be out of their mind. because that is against normal cycle of life. no team in the word is finished when generation of players leave. you just put words in people mouth. that is just making things up, again to prove your point.”

        –Once again that you’re proving the propaganda. You’re conveniently forgetting/ignoring the fact people(many) here said the same. I don’t know what phrase has been repeated here the most than :
        1.” I don’t see Argentina side winning/competing anything when this “golden generation” leaves the international stage”
        2. “If they (golden generation) can’t win anything, nobody else will”

        Correct me if I’m wrong, you yourself said something like that after the first game of this Copa against Colombia and the second game as well.

        • “Correct me if I’m wrong, you yourself said something like that after the first game of this Copa against Colombia and the second game as well.”

          when did I say that? bring back my words. never implied that, either your interpreted my words to serve your agenda, or you have a short memory. I did not say much after Colombia game except saying 2 goals conceded because of poor defense in counter attacking 101. the second game
          against Paraguay I was pissed for all who called the 2014 2015 2016 players failures and hijacked the team, my comment was in that context, ONLY. people need to read and comprehend rather than just take what serves their agenda and ignore what does not. I still say that ‘at that period of time, 2014,2015,2016′ there were no better alternative players to what we had THEN’ now please keep the argument around the period of time, not 4 years before or four years after. as I say it, THEN, not NOW.
          and if there were any alternatives to the 2014,2015,2016 squad please provide names of such players who would have done better.
          again I am referring to then, not now. and not 5 years from today.

      • ” I don’t know where you got the idea that people think Argentina is finished after Messi generation?”

        Maybe I should bring your famous comment here once again to see where from the idea

        • YOU CAN INTERPRET MY WORDS, BEND AND TWIST AS YOU PLEASE TO SERVE YOUR AGENDA, YOU ARE KNOWN FOR THAT. THE MOMENT YOU TALK ABOUT AFTER PARAGUAY GAME WAS TO SHOW YOU THAT DROPPING WHOLE GENERATION OF PLAYERS AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND GO TO COPA FOR PRACTICE, IS TOTAL BS.
          SO BRING ME A COMMENT WHERE I SAID ‘explicitly ‘ WHAT YOU ACCUSE ME OF SAYING THAT ARGENTINA IS FINISHED AFTER MESSI GENERATION. WITH LINK. AND I WILL BRING COUNTLESS COMMENTS WHERE I SAID ‘explicitly’ THE OPPOSITE. I WILL NOT GET YOU OFF THE HOOK THIS TIME

          • gonzalo,
            Ebo September 3, 2018 at 3:07 pm
            Agree, I don’t know why some fans talk about certain players, repeating the same mistakes over and over.
            I don’t care if he plays or not, don’t make it look as if we are doomed if he does not. He is not that big of a deal. No one should be. We want to see collective talented team to play as a team first. then worry about individual player’s talent factor. WE had the best player in the World but We failed because we did not play as a team.

            this shows your accusations are dumbfounded

          • “THE MOMENT YOU TALK ABOUT AFTER PARAGUAY GAME WAS TO SHOW YOU THAT DROPPING WHOLE GENERATION OF PLAYERS AND STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND GO TO COPA FOR PRACTICE, IS TOTAL BS”.

            No man, I still didn’t copied that your’s comment here just because I don’t want to embarasse people without bigger reason. I’m not enough angry yet. That your comment sound like kind of “coming out” after period of pretending someone of balanced opinions. You didn’t seemed in the comment like someone who is balanced between youth and old generations. That was deification of the old. So it doesn’t look like mere claim for few experienced players to stay, the more because Messi, Aguero, Otamendi were there anyway. That was like claiming for all the famous name to camback.

            BTW

            I know you didn’t hyped The Famous Generation never before that comment, and for the reason, your sudden extreme turn in point of view (in fact no one, except KidultHood didn’t came here with such one-dimensional glorification of old vs young) looked like relieving projection of deep self.

          • gonzalo,

            “No man, I still didn’t copied that your’s comment here just because I don’t want to embarasse people without bigger reason.”

            you are only embarrassing yourself. go ahead and find my explicit comment where I said Argentina has no future without “Messi” and the ‘golden generation’, I know you hate that phrase 🙂

            Now don’t interpret my words to your liking, like always, and don’t use your crystal ball to check my Argentina support thermometer, take my words literally. As I said, I will not get you off the hook this time, like I did many times before. I will just expose your baseless accusations towards me and many members who don’t ‘fall in line’ with your projections and Agenda

          • So let enjoy yourselves and others one more time. In that your comment was everytihing. Also totall devaluating of young generation. You even wirite the phrase “promising players” in quatotion mark to bring irony:

            “let us give the younger ‘promising players’ experience in big tournaments. forgetting that we just humiliated the shirt of Argentina with players like this. Fuck this. I am out of this TOXIC fucking place till MAYBE, WC2022 because I WANT TO WITNESS, the likes of Locelso, Paredes, Depaul, Suarez, Dybala, and the rest of the overhyped gang winning the World cup and succeed where Messi and his package failed. I just hope that it will not be branded as ‘international Experience’ for WC2026”.

            BTW Calling The Famous Generation “Golden” you are only proving ignorance of our glorious past. 2 WC titles and 14 of Copas titles. None of them of The Famous Generation, so they deserve only and as much as”Silver Generation”.

        • gonzalo,
          I already started with most recent comments
          Ebo September 5, 2019 at 2:19 pm
          “Argentina has no future”. that is waaaaay far fetched, bro.
          Argentina problems are not it’s players, but the AFA mostly.
          Argentina will always be a power house, regardless of recent disappointments, they will rise again.no doubt

        • gonzalo,

          Ebo September 5, 2018 at 2:29 am
          I think the kids will put a good show in the coming matches. too much speculation is going around here, Let’s give the team and the coaches the benefit of the doubt, they did not play a single minute yet. I think We will do just fine.

          Now, did you interpret this comment as not supporting younger generation? or as you accused me of ‘playing moderate’.

        • gonzalo,
          Ebo September 8, 2018 at 2:01 am
          I think Lo Celso, Palacios, Ascacibar/Paredes should form our core midfield and give them as many chances as possible to play together.

          Ebo September 8, 2018 at 2:56 am
          Palacios is still a baby, he needs to flourish, but he is showing great promise. he should not move to bigger club for 2 more years at least.

          the above to refute your accusations including me hating the new young players

          • “Maybe I should bring your famous comment here once again to see where from the idea”

            Ebo,

            you are loosing your sunday time being out of point what I said before. There’s “comment”, not “comments”. I know your history of posts quite well and I know you never hyped old and doomed young before and after the famous post. The more that post is conundrum because seriously it sounds like angry and sincere projection of “what I really think”.

          • gonzalo

            “Maybe I should bring your famous comment here once again to see where from the idea”

            This is just an idea that you see as you please, not what I say, you are not setting in my mind to know exactly that’s what I project or express, this proves you interpret other people words in a way to serve your agenda, why don’t you just take my words as written without any interpretation to something that serves your purpose ?

          • gonzalo,

            no, man. my point is you always interpret, make ideas up of no where just to serve your projections, any one else who disagrees with you is quickly labeled ‘ fan boy’, ‘old guard hyper’, ‘young players hater’, ‘coming out’ as if he is a liar, hypocrite and double faced without sincere intentions to support the NT.
            all that because you lack counter arguments, you are steering the conversation always towards a personal analysis of members intention,true support and love for the NT. who raise their heads and disagree with your aspects of the situation.
            you always dislike articles written about older players, you even start criticizing members who come here and comment about older players, you just want to project your views only.

          • gonzalo,

            this is a comment by you last month :

            “Gonzalo August 21, 2019 at 6:13 pm
            Just shut up Csabalala. I know you are again so much unhappy with call up for Gaich, MacAllister and some other players but you are simply annoying.

            “When will you go in bed with him?”

            Did you noticed this Roy’s news is about Gaich? So it’s adequate do talk about him.”
            here is link:
            https://mundoalbiceleste.com/2019/08/20/adolfo-gaich-on-argentina-call-up-its-a-beautiful-opportunity/

            Likewise it is adequate to talk about Messi, DiMaria, Aguero, Mascherano…. when the article is about any of them.

            does that prove your double standard and complete annoyance when some players are mentioned?

  44. I think it’s time for Palacios to show his talent…..
    I think Palacios may give de Paul more freedom to go forward and create something.
    And he may also take some pressure off from paredes.
    Let see how it works.

  45. Exequiel Palacios played before so he looked more comfortable than Allister and Dominguez…..
    I want to talk about the destroyer…. We all know Paredes is not a destroyer….. Paredes is a regista, deep lying playmaker….. good passer and controller of the game…. But he lacks the ability to break a Counter attack… Like Casemiro, Mashche, Kante….
    Many said Dominguez is a Destroyer…. But i dont think he is…. Next is Lisandro Martinez….. I have seen him play last 2 match as DM… Trust me he is not a destroyer too… He lacks the movement and positioning sense in DM… But maybe because he is playing on that position for first time… Although his vision and passing is amazing also calm with the ball….. Ascacibar is great…. This guy got no lungs… Can run all day…. Good destroyer but he is risky…. Gets lots of yellows and reds…..he is a mad bull…. now You might think then there is no one left who can be a perfect Destroyer…..

    Many might not Agree with me but Fausto Vera of U23 is an amazing DM…. He knows where he had to be…. Knows when to charge and when to tackle…. Good intercepting skill….i have seen him play….. Many times…. When the fullbacks makes a run a CB Covers that Fullbacks place and Fausto Vera goes in the middle and covers that CB’s place…. This is something we saw Masche to do……which is why fullbacks like zabaleta and rojo could help us in Attack… Fausto Vera may not be talented but he is intelligent…..he reads the game very well….
    You can disagree with me.
    Paredes is doing his best in a position which actually doesn’t suit him….. I have no problems with him but he struggles when we face counters…. With better CDM we can intercept those counter then boom might blow a Sucker punch….

    • Fausto Vera might debut in senior NT sooner than we think. I agree with you to quite good extent, you might be right. However I saw in last match of U-23 Ascacibar brought in movement in central midfield we lacked in first half. He is risky as DM – that’s true but still can develope.

    • Martinez and Ascacibar should be playing for senior team. Maybe i’m missing something obvious, but #5 is our weakest point, what the fuck were they thinking not calling them?

  46. I certainly do hope we dominate but i think thats part of the problem. We didn’t see any type of domination and our attack still seems toothless against Chile. We had some shots but i just didn’t see attacking threat. To your point, we will do better agains mexico type with more open play but we have to be prepared to do well against all teams, even ugly chile.

    • I think the key is to be efficient on the free kick and have tall players for the corners. But unfortunately, except Otamendi, we don’t have any player for receiving corners. That’s why I think Gaich could be helpful.

  47. I did not get a chance to see the game against Chile. In my opinion, our first problem now is not been able to win a senior tournament. Its not easy to win a tournament. We are playing many, there is a Copa America almost every year and even if it is in our own land we are unable to win. Our focus should be about winning. Whatever it takes.

    Overall, we need to establish a system and bring in players to support that system. 2-3 players for each position. Have clear strategy to attack, defend and close out games. It is not so much about old players and young players. Players will come and go. The team should have right players, regardless of the age.

    Now, this place has become very predictable and boring.

    In one hand, there are folks like Gonzalo whose only objective seems to push local young players, with no interest in NT objectivity at all. I don’t see any good tactical and analytical posts from this group. Its only about all players of previous gen are bad and all new and local kids are great.

    Then there is Csabala who is just opposite of Gonzalo. All new kids are bad and have proven nothing. All players of old gen are great. Similar to Gonzalo and co, not much analytical posts.

    There is El Mongol, Richard and few other old timers who are still with overall objective of NT focus, not local vs european players. I have been here for 15 years, lot more than many others and this place was not local vs european OR young vs old. It was about NT. When NT was not playing we enjoyed our players in club football regardless of age or where they play. We took pride in our players and achieving great things about for their clubs. Now, you can always certainly say Gonzalo will have zero comments if Messi has a great game or if Di Maria plays a great game for Paris. Why? I don’t understand. Same for Csabala etc.

    Finally, I think Scaloni and team are doing a good job. In my mind they and the team at Copa did better than I expected. Remember, it was a relatively young team (in terms of NT experience, not individual age) but with a mix of some old players like Messi, Aguero, Otamendi etc. This is how it should be. The best player of the copa (Dani Alves) is one of the oldest player in the tournament. Even Brazil won something after quite some time. Does not mean you throw away every old player. When you get new players you need the old ones to incorporate them in and that will make a good team.

    I will close by saying, the next gen looks promising (promising but not established). We still have good stuff left in Messi and Aguero. We should use them. Lets keep this place united and for the best interest of the Argentine football and stop this local vs european, young vs old crap. We should appreciate and criticize our players performances objectively wherever they play and whatever their age. Select on merit.

    VAMOS!!!

    • “Now, you can always certainly say Gonzalo will have zero comments if Messi has a great game or if Di Maria plays a great game for Paris. Why? I don’t understand. Same for Csabala etc”.

      You know what is the difference between me and Csabalala?

      I do not comment Messi’s and Di Maria clubs performances both when they do well as when they do something wrong while Csabalala is waiting for every single stumble of our young players to bring it here. This is the difference. Go and see wheter I commented Messi’s gets eliminated in CL. Same with Di Maria.
      So please don’t talk I’m same with Csabalala.

      Why I do not comment Messi’s or Di Maria club’s performances? For the same reason you can see also others are commenting that club’s (Messi or Di Maria or Aguero) performances less recently (yes, the interest is declining here). Because of the reason I adressed here some time ago: this is some time nothing to refer to as reliable on predicting what form they will in NT. Last Copa is best prove. Messi’s and Di Maria form during Copa was not similar to that of club. Besides the general level of comments about Messi’s club performance is declining also for most obvious reason: we are less and less dependant on Messi so people are rather willing to see in club performances those who will shape our near and far future. Hence finally you can see recently more people interested about local league, because this is the source the upcoming generation will came.

      • > I do not comment Messi’s and Di Maria clubs performances both when they do well as when they do something wrong while Csabalala is

        Give me break! of course you do. You get pissed off whenever a post of Di Maria comes up or any of veterans. You go out of your way to start talking shit about posts “they are done’, “no one gives a shit”, “nothing new to add” ‘blah blah” It’s all the same NEGATIVE comments.

        • “Onus probandi” rests on you:

          “You get pissed off whenever a post of Di Maria comes up or any of veterans. You go out of your way to start talking shit about posts “they are done’, “no one gives a shit”, “nothing new to add” ‘blah blah”

          so bring me here my comments when I do this in reference to their clubs performances. Give me or be liar. I’m not talking about Di Maria “being done” in NT I’m talking about club performances as it is said above.

          Come on, go and bring me comments with these,: “they are done’, “no one gives a shit”, “nothing new to add” ‘blah blah”

          or be liar and take on the badge

          • dude, you say shit like “Di Marias world cup goal was lucky”. I mean you cant be more of a hater when you say shit like that.

            DDR1123s point is that your super negative with oldies just and Casabala is negative with youngsters.

            Do you disagree with my post?
            “You get pissed off whenever a post of Di Maria comes up or any of veterans. You go out of your way to start talking shit about posts “they are done’, “no one gives a shit”, “nothing new to add” ‘blah blah”.

            My friend, are you denying your veteran hater status and negativity of veteran posts?

          • CHoripan,
            “My friend, are you denying your veteran hater status and negativity of veteran posts?”

            You know what is ‘onus probandi’? If someone is accusing he must prove that, not the one who is charged.

            no distraction, no red herring, don’t avoid question

            I’m still waiting for my commets with such phrases. SImply, if you are quick with throwing accusations you will need to back up this. At least against me. You will not have easy crossing with me.

          • @choripan

            “Di Maria’s goal was pure luck”

            “our failure in last COPA was bad luck”
            when opponents were weak
            we ONLY managed to beat the weaker teams and draw against unimpressive Paraguay when Armani saved our ass.

            YET, reaching WC2014 final and lose in the last 5 minutes of extra time, losing COPA2015 and COPA2016 finals after extended time and penalty shoot outs when we were the better team in all 3 finals, and met much much stronger opponents, but fell short of tactical plans, and were let down by the mind puzzling subs
            by the coaches, is considered PLAYER FAILURES not ‘BAD LUCK’ .
            go figure the double and triple standards some are projecting here. and the only counter argument to the above will be:
            “IDOL WORSHIPERS”
            “OLD GENERATION LOVER”
            “ONE PLAYER FAN”
            “YOUNG PLAYERS HATER”
            and so on 🙂

          • > I’m still waiting for the examples.

            Gonzalo,

            You’re missing the point, big time.

            You’re focusing on 1 statement of the argument to avoid the real issue. You have chosen to focus on a more trivial specific point which is “trashing talking oldie league performance”. You keep insisting to “prove where I said that (Onus probandi)”……NEWS FLASH – no cares about that statement.

            The heart of the issue here is that you’re negative towards veterans to the point where it’s no longer objective. few examples

            1) Di Marias WC banger goal was “lucky”

            or

            2) when a post of Di Maria emerges, you immediately start trash talking the author and anyone that wants to read it. “no one care, no new news, why can mundo post some else else, blah blah blah.

            The hater in you in so obvious.

            ddr1123
            “there are folks like Gonzalo whose only objective seems to push local young players, with no interest in NT objectivity at all. I don’t see any good tactical and analytical posts from this group. Its only about all players of previous gen are bad and all new and local kids are great.”

            Choripan
            “You get pissed off whenever a post of Di Maria comes up or any of veterans. You go out of your way to start talking shit about posts “they are done’, “no one gives a shit”, “nothing new to add” ‘blah blah”.

      • @gonzalo – When an interview of Di Maria came out recently you said ,”We can’t get over with Di Maria. Why not interview with some player called up currently. Di Maria is past.”
        Now I like @ddr1123 am a supporter of the NT no matter what. New gen/old gen/europe/non europe any player would do as long as we progress. I have the absolute highest regard for Di Maria and co for giving the best they possibly could.
        Uttering these above lines are a clear sign of hate or you are too affected by Csabalala’s vitriol and are subconsciously trying to one up him.
        I totally enjoy and agree with most of what you say and suggest on the site. But it is a easily seen that you have dislike/disregard for the past gen for whatever reason.

        Time and again I too have seen it like @ddr1123 .

    • “We should appreciate and criticize our players performances objectively wherever they play and whatever their age. Select on merit”.

      What is merit? This is totally subiective matter. For some of us that will be: to play for big European club, or simply play in Europe and score some amount of goals; for others that is simply to be outstanding whenever they play (local leageu, Mexico or Europe); for others and so on… What is merit? Some created categories that none local league player or local league player over 23 is not NT material. That is their criterion and you can see their own notion of merit. Everyone has his own.

    • Don’t under-estimate age problem, you talked about Dani Alves who play as defender, here we talk about Di Maria, Messi and Aguero who play in attack, it’s a different story. Give me an example of any champion team of high level competition with 2 players above 34 yo in attack of the starting 11. That’s why Scaloni trying hard to replace Aguero last year and even now after Copa. About Di Maria, in addition to age problem, his profile doesn’t fit. He’s no longer a CM like his old days with Ancelotti’s RM, and now Scaloni doesn’t seem to look for a pure winger.

      • This is something I noticed yet before Copa. Tending to have all Messi, AGuero, Di Maria together in attack is suspicious even for the age factor. 31,31,32 age old players is too much. All that was proved by Di Maria’s form. Messi looked tired too

  48. Scaloni’s formation is very similar formation to Deschamps’s and Pochettino’s one. De Paul did his job as always with the NT, in short term, he should be the 1st option for this “defensive winger” role, Zaracho should be his sub. On the half 8 role, I think Lanzini > Lo Celso. I wish to see both on the pitch but seems unlikely. In the regista position, Paredes hasn’t really progressed since 3-4 years, I would have put Nico Dominguez and even Palacios in this role. Btw, from what I saw against Chile, Lisandro Martinez should be definitely in this 23, he is able to play as CB, left back, DM and CM without any problem.

    My favorite midfield would be: Lanzini-Palacios-Lisandro Martinez
    followed by:
    De Paul-Nico Dominguez-Lo Celso

    • El Mongols description of De Paul was perfect. He called him the glue that binds the attacks and defense. He’s exactly that but limited in other areas in the sense that he’s everywhere on the pitch supporting both but doesn’t get involved in the final play much. I agree though. De Paul earned his spot.
      With Lo Celso out, id like to see something similar to yours.

      Martinez – Dybala
      Lanzini
      Palacios – L Martinez – De Paul

      For your selection of Lanzini-Palacios-Lisandro, who are the forwards?

      • For the next game? I stay with Dybala as half 9 supporting Lautaro and Gaich. Obviously with all the players available:
        1st option: Messi-Kun, Lautaro, just like Copa, but I guess Scaloni trying to replace Kun by someone else
        2nd option: Dybala-Gaich, Vargas, Gaich could be very useful with his profile, Vargas is a great dribbler.
        3nd option: Lamela-Joaquin Correa, Alario, I believe that Lamela is coming back strong, Alario has something, very gifted technically.
        4th option: Pity-Angel Correa, Icardi, I don’t think any of them will come back soon, even though I like them much.

        What do you think my friend?

      • De Paul I wasn’t big fan before because it’s boring to watch Udinese and most of the time I watched him either defending or trying to dribble in the middle of 2-3 guys. But yes, you need a player like this in your team to keep the balance. Just like Matuidi or Sissoko, not spectacular but useful tactically. Acuna should have been deployed as CM during the WC but he was considered as left back. Zaracho could be that type of player as well.

    • My favorite midfield would be: Lanzini-Palacios-Lisandro Martinez

      Please add Pastore to the Glassy midfield..all of them are talented, but cannot be practical..

  49. Bring on tata martino and his Mexico nt.
    I saw some comments people scary to lose
    Against Mexico… so it’s football match
    Personally I’m looking for the Performance
    Rather than scoring one goal and then
    Set back Mexico dominate us .. that will
    Hurt me more …I respect tata martino
    He was the best manager we had years
    Unfortunately afa and local clubs let him
    Down and he moved on however he is not
    Without fault I believe he could done better.
    He should play banega with masch instead
    He kept together biglia and masch.
    He could also bring more new fresh
    Players instead of stuck with old guard.
    Now I don’t care how good manager he is.
    Mexico benefitting him no Argentina nt
    Believe me this game suits arg nt more
    Because Mexico will play football in right way
    Not like chile who came to fight
    I think it will be more entertaining game.

    I don’t care what haters says it doesn’t matter
    Even if Argentina dominate games they will
    Come up with another excuses.. no team in this
    World plays perfect game in 90 minutes
    And no team in this world is without weakness .

    • I certainly do hope we dominate but i think thats part of the problem. We didn’t see any type of domination and our attack still seems toothless against Chile. We had some shots but i just didn’t see attacking threat. To your point, we will do better agains mexico type with more open play but we have to be prepared to do well against all teams, even ugly chile.

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