Paulo Dybala scores twice for AS Roma in 2-0 win vs. Fiorentina

1. @Olive ” Yeah I think it’s really odd that there’s a fixation on his “roots”, even someone claimed that might have been the reason he didn’t play against Poland. Do people think he’s the only player that has roots outside of native Argentina? Because he absolutely isn’t, if that was the logic we shouldn’t have fielded over half our team against Italy. His roots aren’t any different from a large amount of Argentinians. Has Italian roots which many do and Polish roots which isn’t as common but not rare at all. In the local league for example there are players named “Kruspzky”, “Kalinski”, “Ostachuk”, “Troyansky”, “Kociubinski”, “Mosevich”, and a coach “el Ruso Zielinski”, all Polish/Eastern European names. Dybala’s ancestry isn’t unique or different from many Argentines at all”

   Fully agreed as with @EnganChe too as like he wrote about the same subject as : ” Some folks make unsubstantiated assumptions about Dybala, that he is supposedly overlooked because he is not “Argentine” enough? What on Earth is that about? Where did that come from? Dybala was born in Argentina to Italian and Polish ancestry which is the story of millions other people. Argentina is a country of massive immigration, mostly from Europe, i.e. Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Ukraine but also from the Middle East, Syria and Lebanon. Virtually everybody has immigrant roots expect some folks who are native Americans. So the idea that Dybala has been overlooked because he’s too, I don’t know, Polish is absolute bonkers.

   By the same token, Gabriel Heinze (German), Juan Pablo Sorin (Jewish), Claudio Husain (Syrian & Lebanese) are not real Argentines either?”

   Well, this is as clean as water can be, when it’s really clean as that might be nowdays as much more raririty like those Argentine’s who Still have native American roots, though i do not know the exact %, but i hope that at least they are treated with respect as being Native’s and not consired as some ancient people who simply do not matter at all as we all seen what that lead’s to etc…any how with Native’s unfortunatly it has allways been as it has been, though i can’t speak about it as it is nowdays in Arg forexample as i simply do not know that much about it aa there is not that much info/data about as forexample from U.S etc..as i only hope they are equally treated whether they are in whatever country as their Native’s or one of their countries Native’s etc…,

   but, about other immigrant roots it is more than obvious with most of the people in the world as that is the story of basically today’s world population as more or less, so what is the real point behind of those assuming that Dybala being over looked by his ancestry, really ?

   As it is more than obvious that it can not be based on his ancestry as @ EnganChe alkready more than well explained that, Argentina is more than obviously one those countries in the world of massive imigration as most of the nowdays world is, so what is the point of by those claiming Dybala that is more than completly normal as we could talk of any country, more or less with this same debate, which is offcourse about some may be thinking that Dybala is overlooked, because of his ancestry as we are talking about Arg’s Nt who just one the WC after very long 36 year’s a go, so what is true meaning of all that some may be claiming Dybala is overlooked, because his ancestry as we are talking about Person born in Arg or not as having Arg passport he is legimite to play for Arg as if he has other passports he may have chosen another country, well, but he did not as obviously a class player who was injured, but Still taken to WC by La Scaloneta and Co. and as u said as being injured, well that was a pretty much as us as fan’s did know and rest of the knowledge was well kept with inside Arg Nt as where it belongs, Ok Lautaro was also injured and Still playing more as with painkilkers injected to his ancle, if i’m right about this…? Anyhow could had Dybala played more, well the WC is over as Arg won after 36 year’s so instead of thinking this i think we all should just concentrate on the fact that Arg won deservedly after 36 year’s which is a pretty long time, but they won rightfully and Dybala did his part as did rest of the team and the coaching too etc…

   As it is true that Arg may had won at 1990 or 2014, but it was not ment to be, why ? Well, this subject could be speculated as long as we all will want to as fir myself i think, that Arg should had won also at with Pekerman too, but as he subbed off RIQUELME and also later on brought in Julio Cruz, well was that the reason or not as also Roberto Abbondanzieri was injured as a Goalie and had to be replaced etc…

   Well, did all the subs of Scaloni and Co went fully correct, offcourse not, but this time Still Arg was able to win as it not happen as 2014 and 2006 with Pekerman, so Yes everyone can make and more than right to make their own minds about all this what all happened in the past and in the latest WC as i have thought of the past so many time’s, but did it helped me to understand, maybe it did after all as offcourse i would had every past Arg Nt to win the WC specially at 1990, 2006 and 2014 as 1994 and 1998 too even 2010 with DIEGO and 2002 with Bielsa, but as they did not i often used to wonder why did they not won, well as fan Arg for life all i can say i have no clue in the end as my knowledge is so little to compare ti those who were in those past Arg NT’s that were not able to win and i think at least for me instead of keep on wondering about the past, that knowledge that i have no access at all as i was not with in any of theese Arg NT’s, well at least it is better for me that this knowledge should be there it where it really belongs as for all those GREAT ARG PAST NT’s that were not able to win the WC, with all my respect towards them !

   As now finally after 36 year’s that very difficult job finally done and very deservedly too, well all i’m looking for is just the present and offcourse i do have high hopes for the future as i alkways had since 78 WC, but that is Still in the future so instead what is happenning at the present, well there is U20 COPA SUD AMERICANO and i don’t even know or can’t remember when it will start as all i can remember that it should be played between this january and february, if i’m correct…?

   And also as living in Europe i don’t know how will i be able to watch this and from where, so if anyone living in Europe or knows how to watch the U20 COPA SUD AMERICANO, please any info for that will be more than preacited !

   As i only hope now that Arg will Qualify to U20 WC for to be played for the next European summertime, but also where would they play this, well anyone with info for that will be also very preciated too !

   But, this info i was asking about U20 Copa Sud Americano would be the priority number one for me as also that Arg will Qualify to U20 WC !

   Dale Campeon !

2. Dybala should be thankful to Mourinho, he regains his form at Roma. And, secondly, he should be thankful to Scaloni who trust him to take the penalty in the final. I think the best cameo in Arg winning team are ADM and Dybala

3. I wont blame Dybala’s exclusion from Argentina Starting XI on anyone else but Dybala Himself and Bad Luck. Dybala is actually a jewel. But his fitness is the main reason he never got a good run in National team. Scaloni could not see enough of Dybala in the National team thatswhy we went for the more regulars under him. And he was still carrying some injury in the WC. Dybala did get his chance few years back but never showed the same form he created in Juve. But he could
   not continue because he was fragile. His luck did not help either. I still beleive he can do it if he can stay fit and get another run in National Team Starting XI. Lets hope for the best for him. It would be interesting to see a Dybala in form for Albiceleste.

4. Pestrianni third youngest player to make his debut in the Argentine top-flight after Diego Maradona and Sergio Aguero….
   I agree with casabala. He is a top talent.His potential is messi type .. He will be next messi. Currently he is best Argentine talent.
   Very good dribbling skill with high speed.

   • From what I have seen, which is not much, Prestianni is nowhere near Messi as he lacks end product. Fast dribbler, yes, but can’t score. I think Garnacho is offering more quality as LW. We will see.

     • Messi wasn’t a good striker either when he was 16.

       • Sure. But old footage of Messi shows that he was quite good at dribbling and scoring at youth level. I fear that the valuation gap between Prestianni and Endrick is justified, although they are not playing in the same position.

5. Agustín Almendra to Rayo Vallecano is done
   Another talent midfielder in Europe he is free transfer and will be joining hid new club in the summer onice his nightmare boca contract expires.

   • Good, btw Robertone plays good in Almeria, take a note, best player vs Atletico.

     • Yeah, incredible cross yesterday for the assist

6. So who is responsible for Dybala not getting the opportunity that he deserved? Sampoli? Scaloni? Or Leo? But isn’t bad decision making when it comes to Selection ingrained into the Albiceleste DNA? I mean look at 2010 for example. Zaba the only right back available in the squad, and he was injured. And then in spite of Cambiasso and Zanetti winning the UCL that year they were not even considered for selection. Was Diego solely responsible for this? Could they have made a massive impact? We will never know. I think it only makes them human for a change. I absolutely agree that winning the world cup should not give a free pass for constructive criticism. I don’t think Pekerman made a single bad decision prior to that Riquelme change, whereas Scaloni got away with quite a few bad changes during big matches…one of them being regularly subbing in German Pezella in order to counter the “height” and “physicality” challenge in the defensive 3rd. And we all know how that turned out. Di Maria could have played on for another 15 minutes without being fatigued and yet he was subbed out. And Licha wasn’t brought on when he deservedly should. But we all got away with those changes. Partly because there was the urge to fight on and partly because we were destined to win the cup. Its that simple. If Dibu wouldn’t have made that save, people here would have crucified Scaloni and his tactical changes.

7. Dybala is too much injury prone..
   Now he already 28..
   So He will not take messi position.
   35 year messi fitness is better than dybala fitness..
   So Dybala chance to play 2026 is very low..
   Lautrao is our next number 10 with alvarez if messi not there.

8. Rodrigo de Paul’s girlfriend, Tini Stoessel: “After the drink [at Argentina’s World Cup party], he came home drunk. I had to take care of him like a baby because he couldn’t stop celebrating. So I told him that I love him, to calm him down. Then he replied: ‘I love you too Messi’. I didn’t understand anything.”

   • He said..love you too lio😂

   • He did what?…🤣

9. He did not just score, he was devastating one man army. He stole the ball from defenders multiple times to create point blank opportunities for teammates. Waltzed through the opposition defense. Dribbled the ball out of danger from his own half. Played super accurate long balls.

   Granted it was against a 10 man team for most of the match. Still he was phenomenal, making a toothless Roma attack look good.

10. Some folks make unsubstantiated assumptions about Dybala, that he is supposedly overlooked because he is not “Argentine” enough? What on Earth is that about? Where did that come from? Dybala was born in Argentina to Italian and Polish ancestry which is the story of millions other people. Argentina is a country of massive immigration, mostly from Europe, i.e. Spain, Italy, Germany, Poland, Ukraine but also from the Middle East, Syria and Lebanon. Virtually everybody has immigrant roots expect some folks who are native Americans. So the idea that Dybala has been overlooked because he’s too, I don’t know, Polish is absolute bonkers.

    By the same token, Gabriel Heinze (German), Juan Pablo Sorin (Jewish), Claudio Husain (Syrian & Lebanese) are not real Argentines either?

    • Samuel jewish too.

      • As is Jose Perkerman, the point is, so many in Argentina have an immigrant grandparent or great-grandparent or even more recent. Why do so many of our payers have an EU passport? That’s because they are eligible through their grandparents.

        There are about 40,000–50,000 Hungarian-Argentines too

    • I remember before the 2018 world cup there were some Argentines claiming Messi underperforms for the national team because he is not a real Argentine. I am sure most Argentines do not care, but there are many that do.

      And it’s undeniable that Argentine national team selectors have often come up with idiotic ideas to exclude players. I remember many years ago they decided long haired players won’t be allowed. Another time they wanted to exclude players who play in Italy. And inevitably there would be some favoritism shown to the Argentine league with some token inclusions. I have seen all sorts of nonsense from AFA in the past 40 years.

      And of course no one is stupid enough to advertise what role ethnicities play in team selection, especially in this day and age. But that mindset it is always there.

      • Yes, there were people who used to call Messi, a “pecho frio”, a cold chest because he never played in the local league but Messi shut them up, but that was never a majority of people and certainly not on the AFA or the NT level. Dybala did play in Argentina though so that was never applied to him. Your point though about Dybala supposedly not being considered Argentine enough is completely off base. Dybala has been a very injury prone player who missed a lot of games because of that. Had he been more healthy, I am sure he would have gotten many more opportunities. It has nothing to do with him being part Polish or anything else, there is no such mindset, this is a baseless assumption.

        Right now Alvarez and Messi are ahead of him for a good reason. As I said, he has a chance to become a first sub to Alvarez instead of Lautaro.

        • I was being a bit bitter and hyperbolic to highlight the ridiculousness of continuously excluding a player of such talent.

          He has been unavailable due to injury for less than 10% of Argentina matches during his career. You can go and check this on stats sites like transfermarkt. Overwhelming majority of the time he is simply not given a chance. Even when he was in destructive form in Juve and the year he was Serie A MVP.

          Messi is of course irreplaceable. Whether Alvarez is better than Dybala is highly questionable but given the world cup high it makes sense for him to be preferred. Yet Alvarez has only been around for a year and a half. At other times Angel Correa, Almada, even Pavon has been preferred to Dybala.

          Not just an alternative second striker, Dybala could have been a like for like sub for Di Maria (or replacement when Di Maria is unavailable) – a similar creative explosive (fragile) left-footed attacker. Some of the goals Dybala scores are identical to Di Maria’s – it is uncanny. If Scaloni had subbed him for Di Maria during WC instead of Messeres Pezzella and Paredes, we would have won those knockout games much more comfortably instead of nearly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so often.

          Now here some ignoramus who does not follow Juventus / Roma games will come and claim Dybala does not make defensive contribution like Di Maria. If you were looking for “unsubstantiated assumptions about Dybala”, his purported lack of left sided playing ability or lack of defensive contribution are much more egregious than my throwing shade (pun intended) at AFA selection process.

          • Now that we got hyperbolic and exaggerated language out of the way, we can finally focus on Dybala the player.

            First of all, whether we could have won more comfortably if Dybala was subbed earlier is speculative, it’s in the same category as insisting that Garnacho should have been called instead of Almada. We won the WC, whether it would have been more comfortable is impossible to say.

            Alvarez is younger and can press relentlessly, is there anybody else who can press like him? I am not sure.

            Fideo and Dybala are different type of players, Di Maria is an expulsive winger while Dybala is a creative trequartista, not sure why we need to compare them.

            We are so spoiled as fans though, we are no longer happy with winning the World Cup after so many years, we want to win and have our favorite players play a bigger role too.

            At the end of the day, we don’t have the benefit of see players train and interact with them the way Scaloni and co do. Once thing I realized recently was that we only see part of the picture and the coaching staff have way more information available to them. It may be frustrating to us but at the end of the day, those who are the helm know better.

          • Whether we could have won more comfortably if Dybala was subbed earlier is speculative. Yes. But it is a safe speculation, given the only knockout game where things did not collapse into madness after substitutions was against Croatia.

            Can anybody else press like Alvarez? I am not sure either. But I am less unsure about whether Dybala has more world class experience, is a better passer, better creator, better at scoring difficult goals, better at holding the ball and keeping defenders occupied. Pressing is a rather small part of what makes a great attacker.

            We don’t need to compare Fideo and Dybala. But the role Fideo played in the squad intersects greatly with what Dybala is good at – running with and holding the ball, going past defenders, making critical passes, scoring goals (including some rather impossible ones), putting in defensive work when needed. Dybala as a sub for Di Maria is certainly a lot more helpful to maintaining the balance of the team than adding a sixth defensive player.

            Winning is a great, winning the world cup is incredible, but it should not be a free pass against criticism. Football is not medical surgery. It is not war. It is a sport, which is meant to be entertainment more than anything else. I love Argentine football because they keep producing players like Maradona, Batistuta, Riquelme, Messi, Di Maria, Dybala who play beautiful entertaining football. I would rather players like that play as much as possible, whether we have recently won the World Cup or not.

            Scaloni has done many incredible things, but no one with even a basic understanding of football will claim all decisions made by the Arg coaching staff during the WC have turned out well. Coaches don’t always know better, as our not-so-distant memory of 2018 can confirm. What we say here is meaningless. Coaching staff are not sobbing in a corner reading our unreasonable complaints. Nor are they taking note of our demands. It is just an avenue for the cathartic experience of venting our frustrations.

          • Well then we need to think where we would put Dybala and where he would have fit in this team: 1) we know Messi this tournament was rightfully never going to be subbed off for Dybala 2) we know that this means Dybala’s option if he wasn’t going to play as a 10 was to play as some form of a striker, NOT a winger like Di Maria on the flanks or wide at all 3) we know that while Dybala isn’t a free loader like some claim, he, nor Lautaro, can press like Alvarez and that pressing was absolutely essential tactically and crucial to keep us controlling the game against France. Without him France would have played through us much more easily and reached their dangerous men like Griezman, Giroud, and Demebele that were completely nullified in the final, same thing for other games. I can post some tactical reviews if you’d like that go into this a little. Therefore, replacing Dybala for Alvarez as a starter is NOT an option whatsoever, unless it is the scenario Choripan has been describing where an out of form and also lethargic/out of shape Lautaro was being brought off the bench for a tired Alvarez later in games. The only realistic opening for Dybala was through that off the bench, and that is the only case where he should have gotten more minutes. Against Croatia we saw the only example of this substitution and Dybala was all over the place causing danger and helped counter attack in a game that was already a foregone conclusion. In France he shared the pitch with Lautaro for a couple of minutes only to be a penalty kicker. Given Messi and Alvarez were definite starters and that Dybala is not a winger like Di Maria, the only path was as a sub for Alvarez or to shake things up somehow late in the game and I think he was maybe only robbed of an extra 45 deserved minutes throughout the entire World Cup, he wasn’t going to be a starter and in this short tournament Scaloni simply opted for Lautaro a couple of times too many as a sub. If we sub Dybala for Di Maria you tell me where does he play with another striker and Messi at the same time?

    • Yeah I think it’s really odd that there’s a fixation on his “roots”, even someone claimed that might have been the reason he didn’t play against Poland. Do people think he’s the only player that has roots outside of native Argentina? Because he absolutely isn’t, if that was the logic we shouldn’t have fielded over half our team against Italy. His roots aren’t any different from a large amount of Argentinians. Has Italian roots which many do and Polish roots which isn’t as common but not rare at all. In the local league for example there are players named “Kruspzky”, “Kalinski”, “Ostachuk”, “Troyansky”, “Kociubinski”, “Mosevich”, and a coach “el Ruso Zielinski”, all Polish/Eastern European names. Dybala’s ancestry isn’t unique or different from many Argentines at all

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